Chris Garland

[bocadillo]

Clough didn't feck off to another club did he, he stayed and finished the job he started. He didn't use the bollux " I have taken this club as far as I can"

Clough managed 5 clubs - he left 4 of them of his own accord.

 

[Boy Genius]

Clough managed 5 clubs - he left 4 of them of his own accord.

He might well have, but he didn't leave Derby or Forest until he had proved something did he?

 

[webmaster]

He might well have, but he didn't leave Derby or Forest until he had proved something did he?

And O'Neill didn't leave Leicester until he proved we could win trophies and be a regular top 10 team.

 

[Boy Genius]

And O'Neill didn't leave Leicester until he proved we could win trophies and be a regular top 10 team.

and thats his yardstick of how far he could take us? There were much bigger things to be won out there and bigger challenges for him...

 

[Durham Fox]

He left for the challenge of winning a 2 horse race

 

[webmaster]

There were much bigger things to be won out there and bigger challenges for him...

Did you really expect him to stick around when the team he supported came in for him?
Most managers would have gone to a bigger club the first chance they had.

He left us in a much better position when he left than when he joined, on and off the pitch. The players that remained (plus a couple of decent signings with the money we had in the bank) should have been more than good enough to stay in the Premiership. The club's decline was due to the man who followed him buying substandard players and being unable to motivate them, you can't blame O'Neill for that.

 

[Boy Genius]

Did you really expect him to stick around when the team he supported came in for him?
Most managers would have gone to a bigger club the first chance they had.

When the Leeds and Everton jobs came up, he had supported those as a boy too, I was under the immpression as well that he followed Sunderland. If you follow enough teams the right one always comes up.

 

[Boy Genius]

He left for the challenge of winning a 2 horse race

Exactly, mind you he has left Celtic in a strong position, so much so that little Gordon Strachan has managed to carry it on....

 

[webmaster]

When the Leeds and Everton jobs came up, he had supported those as a boy too.

Really? - I didn't hear that. If it's true it's even more remarkable that he turned them down. Thank you for proving my argument.

 

[Brauny Blue]

Being in a strong position was with having MON here, he was the main factor of our success, so when he left all that work went down the toilet. He then took all his backroom staff with him, and then followed that up by taking our best players (or he tried to) Lennon being a massive loss. The players that stayed did not perform and wanted out. A new manager (albeit a bad one) could not handle the situation and so we went down.
He left us in a piss poor position. If he had stayed what could he have done with £20M+, a team in the top half of the premiership and in Europe. "Taken the team as far as he could" my arse!!!

MON was the best thing thats happened to this football club in many years, and at the end he chose to follow a personal dream. Bloody good luck to the bloke , if you don't appreciate what he done for us you can't be much of a Leicester fan. With the size of our club " yes " i would say he took us far as he could, because if your knockin around in 50 years time we may by then still not have had 4 consecutive top 10 finishes in the premier league.

 

[Boy Genius]

Really - I didn't hear that. If it's true it's even more remarkable that he turned them down. Thank you for proving my argument.

Turned them down? He wasn't given the chance to talk to them otherwise he would have fecked off earlier.

 

[webmaster]

Turned them down? He wasn't given the chance to talk to them otherwise he would have fecked off earlier.

You mean like Little wasn't given the chance to talk to Villa?
And McGhee wasn't given the chance to talk to Wolves?

 

[Brauny Blue]

Did you really expect him to stick around when the team he supported came in for him?
Most managers would have gone to a bigger club the first chance they had.

He left us in a much better position when he left than when he joined, on and off the pitch. The players that remained (plus a couple of decent signings with the money we had in the bank) should have been more than good enough to stay in the Premiership. The club's decline was due to the man who followed him buying substandard players and being unable to motivate them, you can't blame O'Neill for that.

Couldn't have put it better

 

[Boy Genius]

You mean like Little wasn't given the chance to talk to Villa?
And McGhee wasn't given the chance to talk to Wolves?

They just went.... and look at the receptions they got when they came back with their teams. MON did things by the book, but he would have gone if he had the chance to talk I am sure of it.

 

[webmaster]

MON did things by the book, but he would have gone if he had the chance to talk I am sure of it.

He didn't do things by the book when he walked out on Norwich.

He could have walked out if he'd really wanted to - like Redknapp has done with Southampton. I think one of the big reasons he stayed was because of the reaction of the supporters when we played Spurs.

 

[bocadillo]

He might well have, but he didn't leave Derby or Forest until he had proved something did he?

Is that relevant to the discussion?

 

[bocadillo]

MON was the best thing thats happened to this football club in many years

While he was with us, he was good for us and took us to a level that we had not seen for a while - but I wonder if in the final analysis, it can really be said that he was good for the Football Club.

His peculiar style of working alienated him from the people that were running the Football Club (as opposed to the playing side) to such a degree that it destroyed them. They were replaced by people who were little better than nodding donkeys, who continued nodding every time their next manager asked them for money. The relative lack of fiscal control was what led us inexorably to administration and almost out of existence.

 

[lazzer]

so your now saying martin oneill caused this club to go into admin

 

[bocadillo]

so your now saying martin oneill caused this club to go into admin

Is that your interpretation of what I said?

 

[lazzer]

Is that your interpretation of what I said?

you said that MON alienated the board that was subsequently replaced by yes men that continued to say yes to twatlor money wise hence we went down the pedigree bitter