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City Fan said:
It’s 13 players that were not good enough to stay in the division in 22/23, a few others not good enough to join a Premier League team last season so dropped to the Championship in 23/24, plus some other new players we have had to integrate.

The fact is, we’re a newly promoted team that were playing in the Championship next season.

I feel like this is part of the problem. Many people seem to have forgotten the last couple of years and think we’re an established Premier League club.
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To be honest with you - the train is on the tracks now, and he won’t survive long.

You can think that will have been a mistake, but the noise around it is rising - he’s a goner.
 
FOX Franks said:
I am sure I’m not the only one on this forum that thinks Moyes would be an excellent appointment.

I think West Ham were mad to just let him go.
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City Fan said:
I’m a fan of Moyes. Underrated and under appreciated.
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I'm always cautious as an outsider looking in, particularly after so many pundits did it with us and told us that Brendan Rodgers was a world class manager that we were lucky to have (whilst we could all see relegation looming).

That said, had we appointed Dyche that season, we would have never been relegated. Moyes is the same equation for me. Not someone I'd ideally like to have, but it's needs must.
 
Brown Nose said:
This is my main issue. If we were a club new to the PL, like we were in 2014, I would be more understanding.

However, we've got 13 players in the squad that were here in 22/23 and added several more with plenty of PL experience (Ayew, Winks, Skipp, Edouard, Coady, De Cordova Reid, etc.).

We've also got a manager who has sufficient PL experience to know what is right or wrong about setting up a team for what we need.

We're not naive because we're fresh young things. We're being unnecessarily naive. The manager isn't doing a good enough job with what he has.
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100% my feeling on this.

Under Copper we're acting as if we're minnows
 
Fox Fan said:
That said, the truth of it is, the squad is shite. We've got an ancient and injury prone Vardy as our only real striker at the club. We signed players like Okoli and Édouard, neither good enough. We've spunked decent money on Skip and El Khannouss - neither are close to troubling the first team.

This isn't an easy, nor an attractive job.
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Spot on. We've got some of the worst left from our last relegation squad and added some absolute shite.
 
Fox Fan said:
I'm always cautious as an outsider looking in, particularly after so many pundits did it with us and told us that Brendan Rodgers was a world class manager that we were lucky to have (whilst we could all see relegation looming).

That said, had we appointed Dyche that season, we would have never been relegated. Moyes is the same equation for me. Not someone I'd ideally like to have, but it's needs must.
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I don’t get it. David Moyes that won the europa conference league?

Same one?
 
popillius said:
Ipswich are adapting by changing their approach based on what they are learning. They will soon move above us because of this. McKenna also has plenty in the bank.

Our manager couldn't learn his own ****ing name.

It isn't too soon to see exactly what our problems are, especially as they are exactly the same problems as we had in pre-season and still haven't been addressed.

Absolutely no one is expecting anything like our 2015/16 season. That's a daft comparison. What we are expecting is the very basics to be right most of the time. We aren't even close to this. It's not a big ask really.

Cooper has systematically deconstructed everything we had put in place. His constant mantra of 'giving the players freedom' is dumb; they don't need that. They need to be told what to do and how to do it. They need to hone their skills. It's called 'management'.

Cooper is a dud. Forest are a lifetime away from where they were under him.
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I do understand what ‘management’ is. Though what you describe is a combination of management and coaching 😉

I’m not saying people are expecting us to win the league but since then expectation of achievement has perhaps (quite rightly) been elevated by most. Sometimes to the point where as a fan base we do have a bit of a sense of entitlement.

If it was as simple as seeing what our problems are and then quickly solving them after a handful of games then I reckon any of us could be a successful manager. The truth is though that it isn’t that simple and time is needed to assess, experiment and fine tune.

He won’t get it though (time I mean) and I expect him to be gone by Christmas.
 
Blue Maniac said:
Yes, and the Rodgers that got us to the semi-final
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But didn’t win it

Rodgers annoyed the hell out of me. It was always very good until he decided to disappear up his own arsehole and then when he pulled his head out to breathe we went brilliant for a few matches.

That is, until he swiftly reinserted.

Hmm.
 
City Fan said:
They might well have signed some new players since. In your words, “a daft comparison”.
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And who had a hand in those successful signings?

Certainly not Cooper based on his track record.

Like I say, they've gone from strength to strength since they ditched him.
 
popillius said:
Like I say, they've gone from strength to strength since they ditched him.
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And they will probably still be in the Championship right now had they never appointed the useless duffer in the first place.
 
Bobbins said:
I do understand what ‘management’ is. Though what you describe is a combination of management and coaching 😉

I’m not saying people are expecting us to win the league but since then expectation of achievement has perhaps (quite rightly) been elevated by most. Sometimes to the point where as a fan base we do have a bit of a sense of entitlement.

If it was as simple as seeing what our problems are and then quickly solving them after a handful of games then I reckon any of us could be a successful manager. The truth is though that it isn’t that simple and time is needed to assess, experiment and fine tune.

He won’t get it though (time I mean) and I expect him to be gone by Christmas.
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Again, that word 'entitlement'. It's complete wibble and it's incredibly lazy.

Wanting football managers to do the very, very basic things they are being paid to do has nothing to do with feeling 'entitled' to anything.

Every person in that ground except Cooper and City Fan can see what's wrong. Our defensive issues for example, are such a simple fix and he's too stubborn or too thick to make the changes that any other manager would have by now.

Anyway, another couple of losses and we can replace him with an actual football manager...

Or a nub of cheese.
 
popillius said:
Again, that word 'entitlement'. It's complete wibble and it's incredibly lazy.
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‘Entitlement’ - ‘something that you have a right to do or have’

You don’t think that a large portion of our fan base feel we have a right not to be in a relegation battle?

I am lazy though so I won’t argue with you on that one.
 
So much entitlement and delusions of grandeur on this forum.

I think a number of you have been in a coma for the past two years.
 
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