EU referendum

[Graz]

I assumed so but then I also assumed the outies would have thought about this first but clearly not.

All that crap about unelected people in Brussels running the show but now we'll have the exact same problem but in our own house.

Only this time they'll have complete control to do what they like.

Scary shit!

And it will be Boris...

 

[M17TT C]

No. You vote for a party, not a leader. And if you vote for the tories you know you're voting for a **** to be PM.

I've never voted Tory in my life but Cameron is a slightly less worrying prospect than Boris & Farage.

 

[Motown Fox]

Trump gets involved he's been on the news talking about "Taking Your Country back" and keeping certain people out*

*pity he's not one of them. He's over in Scotland regarding his revamped Golf Course at Turnberry. Lee Nelson turned up and then thrown out for waving swastika golf balls about.

 

[M17TT C]

Shame he actually said/tweeted that Scotland had voted to take its country back the fookin cretin.

Nice to know that a potential world leader knows how to read a basic poll!!




My last post should have said Cameron in charge with the EU watching over as pure Tory control of any sort almost makes me want to build a pillow fort and never come out!!

 

[Mawsley]

Get whoever the Tories choose.

The political equivalent of Ian Holloway.

 

[City Fan]

Have you hit your head this morning? What a ****ing stupid comment.

Is it?

I've met a few who have put a reasonable economic argument about why they voted out. An opinion I respect. The others are a bunch of xenophobic moronic wankers.

 

[Mawsley]

I'll see yours Cate, and raise you this.

 

[Blaarev]

The Eurostar right now:

 

[camberwell fox]

The Eurostar right now:

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That'll stop them there immigrants getting in, won't it?

 

[homer]

That'll stop them there immigrants getting in, won't it?

Well the French certainly won't. Not any more

 

[David Gwilliam]

I would like to begin with a serious question for those who voted Remain. As a Leave voter I felt I was regularly insulted in the Remain campaign as a Little Englander, xenophobic and even racist. I do not believe these comments reflect either myself or other Leave supporters. Did those who supported Remain feel they had a similar experience from the Leave campaign?

It is very likely that there will be a Scottish referendum. I have always expected another Scottish referendum within 10 years of the last one. It is right that there should be one. Today in Scotland is different from the time of the last referendum. Scotland is being taken out of the EU against its will.

I always believed Scotland would get independence within the foreseeable future. I expected a more thorny constitutional problem where by Scotland kept the UK in the European Union against the will of the English and Welsh and then got independence.

If Britain had voted to Remain then Nigel Farage would be a minor character in History, As it is his achievement is quite incredible. He took over an unimportant fringe party and ended up forcing David Cameron to agree to a referendum which has changed British politics. It is even more remarkable that he should do this without being an MP. Whether Farage has been a force for good or ill we will never know.

Ever since Britain joined the EU the European question has been a thorn in the side of the Conservatives. In theory that problem will be over if they choose as leader someone less identified with the debate than Boris or Osborne. The Conservative system is much simpler than Labour's. The Parliamentary Party puts forward two candidates and the party members choose between them If I had to bet I would put my money on Theresa May.

I read that some EU members want Britain to invoke Article 50 straight away. My understanding is that the timing is up to Britain. I believe that Article 50 should only be invoked once there is a new Prime Minister. The time before then needs to spent on quiet informal talks. This also means that any immediate turbulence is likely to have steadied itself.

Just because I like to throw in an irrelevant comment:
In the 1750s during the Seven Years War there was a split between the two great political figures:
George II the last German monarch believed Britain should be a European power and concentrate on Germany
William Pitt the Elder thought that instead of Europe Britain should concentrate on the wider world especially North America and India.
Europe or the wider world is not a new choice.

 

[camberwell fox]

Also, as a leave voter I was subjected to the same ridiculas stereotypes as you DG.

The (almost childish) argument that anyone who dare vote for change is some sort of 70's skinhead prowling the streets to find someone to bash in is just hilarious.

This unfortunately is symptomatic of politics and prejudices in this country and seemed deliberately designed to align an 'out' voter with that of Farage and his 'somewhat' off centre views.

In my opinion this has backfired disastrously and tilted a small minority to vote out and perhaps tip the balance.

 

[homer]

Get a room, you pair of racists.....

 

[Cate Fox]

I was worried about declaring myself as a Leave person, because of the awful stuff that has been spouted on facebook and twitter. I'm now glad I didnt say on either of them which way I was voting after the torrent of complete abuse that has been spouted on both of them today. I'm not xenophobic at all, but you'd think that everyone who voted out was a total bigot/racist. Absolutely horrible stuff.

 

[Ike O'Noclassed]

I read that some EU members want Britain to invoke Article 50 straight away. My understanding is that the timing is up to Britain. I believe that Article 50 should only be invoked once there is a new Prime Minister. The time before then needs to spent on quiet informal talks. This also means that any immediate turbulence is likely to have steadied itself.

I think you are deluding yourself. As far as I can see the Leave vote has won the right to play a hand of cards [the Article 50 negotiation], from which all the trumps have been removed and destroyed. Europe (from about 5am this morning) has no further stake in the UK's national concerns, and has no particular interest in the Brexit other than to make it orderly and incur minimum cost to the remaining member states. Turbulence will subside but we will be extremely vulnerable to further shocks as events domestic and worldwide intrude on our self-imposed enfeebled state.

The breakdowns of the vote (courtesy of Lord Ashcroft) by age group and social class are truly horrendous. The EU is added to housing and jobs as another way the old (my generation) have screwed over the young. That's what my small sample (my own children) are really angry about, not this straw man of Leavers feeling insulted. I wish I could take some schadenfreude in the obvious consequence that it is the old and the poor who, like with austerity and every recession, will bear the brunt of the economic insanity which they've just voted for, but my heart isn't in it.

 

[Jeff]

I think it's good that we can make Britain great again.
Are we still allowed to go to India and Africa and steal their stuff, or will we have to find another way to do it?

 

[fitz]

I was worried about declaring myself as a Leave person, because of the awful stuff that has been spouted on facebook and twitter. I'm now glad I didnt say on either of them which way I was voting after the torrent of complete abuse that has been spouted on both of them today. I'm not xenophobic at all, but you'd think that everyone who voted out was a total bigot/racist. Absolutely horrible stuff.

Indeed. But it's fair to say that both twitter and Facebook have been busy with leave folk who have been motivated purely by racism and xenophobia. Farrage taking centre stage doesn't help given his support and reasons for popularity. There were odious ****s on both sides though.

 

[pork pie fox]

I suspect the EU will be pushing for an early agreement, to end the questions about it all. As is often said, the financial markets can deal with bad news, they don't like uncertainty.

 

[Cate Fox]

I've really had to stop myself from responding to some posts/tweets today (whilst I could when I had the day working from home) because I quite simply couldnt believe what I was reading. I really didnt have the time to get into an argument with someone who just couldnt accept the result and the fact that we werent all racist idiots who didnt have a clue.

 

[Cate Fox]

I suspect the EU will be pushing for an early agreement, to end the questions about it all. As is often said, the financial markets can deal with bad news, they don't like uncertainty.

Well to be fair, the financial markets recovered fairly well..