Foxes Trust

[bocadillo]

Logging in under a different user name just to vote is naughty


You know who you are - and it's not one of the trust supporters.

Your saying that it is not one of the Trust supporters does tend to besmirch all those with anti-trust views.

 

[Jeff]

Your saying that it is not one of the Trust supporters does tend to besmirch all those with anti-trust views.

I made that comment at the time because the pro-trust vote was leading, and someone commented that they were surprised at the way voting was going, so I was just making it clear that the trust lead was nothing to do with 'cheating'.

 

[Darth Vodka]

apart from the fact that the trust are fans who (unlike us lot) didn't just whine about the club going under, but actually got organised and got money to help it...

i find that the trust give measured views on most issues and know a great deal about the club

 

[bocadillo]

I have not voted, again because none of the options seem applicable.

When the Trust started out, I was vehemently against them, but my reasons were purely personal and are not something I wish to discuss.
However, when Steve suffered his stroke, I did quite a bit of liaising with Ian Bason and got the chance to meet him. Thoroughly nice bloke, and fickle as it may seem, my views of the Trust did change.

I think what many people tend to forget, is that all of the FT board are volunteers - many of which have full time 'day' jobs. I've seen a lot of people moaning that the Trust don't post much on the message boards, but I would imagine that if they've been sat at a pc all day long, it must be the last thing they'd want to do when they get home, sometimes.
Also, I know from experience how easy it is for messages to get misconstrued. The media of a message board is hardly ideal for discussing (often heated) debates.
Finally, as has been said on many occasion, the FT can only represent the views of their members, not the entire fan base of LCFC. Therefore, the best thing to do, instead of moaning, is join.

Anyways, just my opinion

But they do this on the back of the finance provided by those who are no longer members and some who never intended to be members and were simply donating money which they believed was to 'save the club'.

 

[Real Sharapova]

But they do this on the back of the finance provided by those who are no longer members and some who never intended to be members and were simply donating money which they believed was to 'save the club'.

And membership fees and donations from those who are members now and have been since day one, and from fundraising efforts as well. It didn't all come from you, boc.

 

[Jeff]

But they do this on the back of the finance provided by those who are no longer members and some who never intended to be members and were simply donating money which they believed was to 'save the club'.

At the time we went into administration the trust had loads of publicity, in which they explained what a trust is and what the aims of the foxes trust are. So anyone who donated money or joined the trust at that time should have known full well what the money was going towards. If they didn't know they should have been paying more attention.

 

[bocadillo]

I made that comment at the time because the pro-trust vote was leading, and someone commented that they were surprised at the way voting was going, so I was just making it clear that the trust lead was nothing to do with 'cheating'.

I am sure that you felt you had good reason for what you wrote. Some will however feel that it was unfair to point at a group of people when you were unwilling to name the individual.

 

[bocadillo]

And membership fees and donations from those who are members now and have been since day one, and from fundraising efforts as well. It didn't all come from you, boc.

I'm happy to say that none of it came from me. Much of it did come from money thrown into buckets by people who were unaware of where the money would be going. The mantra of the bucket-shakers was "Save the Club", not "Donate to the Trust".

 

[Real Sharapova]

Your saying that it is not one of the Trust supporters does tend to besmirch all those with anti-trust views.

No, just one.

 

[muzzysgal]

I'm happy to say that none of it came from me. Much of it did come from money thrown into buckets by people who were unaware of where the money would be going. The mantra of the bucket-shakers was "Save the Club", not "Donate to the Trust".

Am I being naive here when I say that I thought it did save the Club?

 

[Real Sharapova]

I'm happy to say that none of it came from me. Much of it did come from money thrown into buckets by people who were unaware of where the money would be going. The mantra of the bucket-shakers was "Save the Club", not "Donate to the Trust".

Well they obviously didn't read the press, watch TV or listen to the radio. It was patently obvious that a supporters' trust was being set up with the aim of trying to help save the club. I think you belittle the intelligence of those who chucked a few bob into the buckets. I would have thought most donations ( by value ) were made online or by cheque. It would have been pretty obvious where the money was going.

 

[OldGit]

I think a lot of people would prefer it if they had no influence but were seen to be on the supporters side of the fence.

I take it you mean they were as much in the dark and as unable to get messages across as the supporters at large. Little point in belonging to a group to do what you can do on your own for free.

Rather like "I think trade unions / consumer groups / tenants associations / ....... are great as long as they never do anything"

Any way I'm joining RS. Now we're both oxymorons. Does that constitute a pressure group?:icon_bigg

 

[bocadillo]

At the time we went into administration the trust had loads of publicity, in which they explained what a trust is and what the aims of the foxes trust are. So anyone who donated money or joined the trust at that time should have known full well what the money was going towards. If they didn't know they should have been paying more attention.

I would agree that anybody who joined the Trust then should have been fully aware of what the money would be used for - if not they should have made themselves fully aware - there was plenty of publicity about. I would say however that the difference in the level of Trust membership then and the level of Trust membership now (does anyone have the figures?) tends to show that the then state of the Football Club was the major concern of the joining members rather than anything that the Trust have ever done.

As far as the money that was thrown into buckets is concerned, I am not at all sure that many people had any idea where the money was going. Some people who wanted to donate small sums towards the 'saving of the club' were told by the administrators that the only way that they could contribute was by throwing their money into the buckets. And that is what they did - they threw money in to save the club - not to support the Foxes Trust.

 

[bocadillo]

No, just one.

That is a ridiculous thing to say. It besmirches everybody with anti-Trust views in the absence of any indication of which one of them Webbo feels he knows to be responsible.

 

[Real Sharapova]

That is a ridiculous thing to say. It besmirches everybody with anti-Trust views in the absence of any indication of which one of them Webbo feels he knows to be responsible.

Well, perhaps the person involved would like to own up - otherwise IMO he is doing the besmirching.

 

[Jeff]

That is a ridiculous thing to say. It besmirches everybody with anti-Trust views in the absence of any indication of which one of them Webbo feels he knows to be responsible.

I thought most people would have realised who was responsible after reading the posts following my 'revelation' that there had been cheating going on. :icon_roll

But in case you missed it... http://www.talkingballs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=329570&postcount=15

 

[muzzysgal]

I thought most people would have realised who was responsible after reading the posts following my 'revelation' that there had been cheating going on. :icon_roll

But in case you missed it... http://www.talkingballs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=329570&postcount=15

That's why I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about :icon_lol:

 

[bocadillo]

Am I being naive here when I say that I thought it did save the Club?

It may or may not have been a small contribution to the saving of the club - despite the FT's protestations that they were the people that put in the final £50,000 that managed to save the club, I think there are enough people around who understand that somebody else would have found the money if the FT hadn't. (And what else would the FT have in any case had to do with their ill-gotten gains). But, to my mind and to the mind of many others, that money also rocketed the FT to a glorified position which it doesn't deserve.

Money that was donated to save the club should have been used only for that - not to enhance the position of the Trust.

 

[bocadillo]

I thought most people would have realised who was responsible after reading the posts following my 'revelation' that there had been cheating going on. :icon_roll

But in case you missed it... http://www.talkingballs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=329570&postcount=15

I didn't and still don't know who was responsible. If you mean that Durham was suggesting that Huliofoxio was responsible, it still doesn't help me because I don't know the more usual name of Huliofoxio.

 

[Durham Fox]

It may or may not have been a small contribution to the saving of the club - despite the FT's protestations that they were the people that put in the final £50,000 that managed to save the club, I think there are enough people around who understand that somebody else would have found the money if the FT hadn't. (And what else would the FT have in any case had to do with their ill-gotten gains). But, to my mind and to the mind of many others, that money also rocketed the FT to a glorified position which it doesn't deserve.

Money that was donated to save the club should have been used only for that - not to enhance the position of the Trust.

Agreed an now it's falling down around them they will use anything to try and prop it up.