General Election June 8th

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give_us_a_wave said:
Most elections are fought on the economy. Ladies & gentlemen, we are heading for recession. Inflation is on the up, productivity down, everyone is skint & it's going to get worse. The Tories know this & THAT is why the election was called. If they left it til 2020 Brexit would be over & done with & they'd be going to the country on the back of an economic slump.

That's the real story. Remember that next year when things really start to bite.
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Elections should be fought on the economy but not only the economy there are many other important subjects that don't involve the economy alone. However elections are actually fought on celebrityism and whatever scare theme the politicians want to distract the "morons" with. Brexit was fought on those dirty foreigners getting into our country and threatening to kill our children. This election also has "foreigners problems" way out of proportion.

It would be nice if politicians just told the truth and tried to get the best people in to help the citizens of the country but that's never going to happen (and this from a City supporter whose team won the prem last season).
 
Brown Nose said:
I've been expecting a site like this to appear. For anyone that is interested in minimising the Conservative majority on Thursday, this is probably the way you should vote:

https://www.tactical2017.com/
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If only Labour could be believed or trusted. I've always been left leaning in my voting (mostly labour, occasionally lib/dem, once green) but even I couldn't vote for the mess that is calling itself Labour at the moment.
 
Brown Nose said:
Alternatively:

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/
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Well that took a lot longer than it should have and really didn't like the choose one party's policy only would have been more representative to put them in preferential order.

I came out with chooses for all five parties and pretty even (around 20%) though the Green party slightly edged it. I'd have thought it would be easier for the Greens to make promises that are publically acceptable without being implementable though as they have very little chance of being in power.
 
Just been involved in a fascinating discussion with a (I'm not a racist) racist, former policeman. It's very hard to bite your tongue, when somebody is being so overtly racist, whilst proclaiming not to be. How should I deal with it, while trying to not point out what a ****wit he was?
 
pork pie fox said:
Just been involved in a fascinating discussion with a (I'm not a racist) racist, former policeman. It's very hard to bite your tongue, when somebody is being so overtly racist, whilst proclaiming not to be. How should I deal with it, while trying to not point out what a ****wit he was?
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Trying to explain that the fact that Uganda wasn't in Asia, and therefore that their issue with "Ugandan Asians" probably wasn't the greatest theory, is a tricky one :017:
 
The day "I'm not racist but" is followed by anything other than an extremely racist sentiment is the day the world ends. Pigs will sprout wings, fake Jesus will return to Earth, Donald Trump will craft a coherent sentence, and "I'm not racist but" will be uttered with complete honesty.
 
pork pie fox said:
Trying to explain that the fact that Uganda wasn't in Asia, and therefore that their issue with "Ugandan Asians" probably wasn't the greatest theory, is a tricky one :017:
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If the guy is from Leicester then it's understandable as Leicester had a massive influx of Asians fleeing Idi Amin from Uganda. So to that extent they were Ugandan Asians. And although, like you, I deplore racism I think we need to be a little understanding of the context for most people. It takes generations not decades for real change. Compared to his parents the guy is probably "not racist" he grew up in a society where racism was the norm, and even though he probably accepts that we are all equal he will have ingrained, invisible racism within him due to social factors like education and TV. His children who will have gone through school and life in a more mixed society will have less and maybe their children will have very little. You only need to watch some 70's tv programmes to see how blatant racism was in life and comedy.

In the US this week Bill Maher has caused a furore as he used the "N-word" on his live show. He didn't realise his inbred racism when he said it, to him it was a joke, to his friends it would have been a joke but to so many that one word is crossing the line - despite it's use in black pop culture now.

Thankfully places like Leicester are well ahead in anti-racism because we live together, some of the more rural areas are way behind, yet the people are intelligent, polite etc...

However compared to prejudice against women throughout the world, prejudism against colour is pretty weak.
 
FIF said:
If the guy is from Leicester then it's understandable as Leicester had a massive influx of Asians fleeing Idi Amin from Uganda. So to that extent they were Ugandan Asians. And although, like you, I deplore racism I think we need to be a little understanding of the context for most people. It takes generations not decades for real change. Compared to his parents the guy is probably "not racist" he grew up in a society where racism was the norm, and even though he probably accepts that we are all equal he will have ingrained, invisible racism within him due to social factors like education and TV. His children who will have gone through school and life in a more mixed society will have less and maybe their children will have very little. You only need to watch some 70's tv programmes to see how blatant racism was in life and comedy.

In the US this week Bill Maher has caused a furore as he used the "N-word" on his live show. He didn't realise his inbred racism when he said it, to him it was a joke, to his friends it would have been a joke but to so many that one word is crossing the line - despite it's use in black pop culture now.

Thankfully places like Leicester are well ahead in anti-racism because we live together, some of the more rural areas are way behind, yet the people are intelligent, polite etc...

However compared to prejudice against women throughout the world, prejudism against colour is pretty weak.
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That was just one part of the discussion we were having, to be fair. I didn't know him, although I know his son. I realised pretty quickly that it was a conversation that I didn't want to be involved in, so made my excuses and left (as they say).
 
Has anyone had a candidate in their constituency knock on their door? Apart from when I was at Uni in Loughborough, I've never had one do it. I'm not sure what I'd ask them, but it still surprises me that it hasn't happened.
 
If the Tories get their majority it'll be the most vivid example of turkeys voting for Christmas I've ever seen.

I voted Tory in the last two elections but there's no escaping that the stats don't lie and their performance on almost all measures, particularly economic ones has been utterly shite.

Add into the equation Theresa May, who appears to be both wholly incompetent and viciously malicious and I can't vote for them this time.

As much as I dislike socialism I think 5 years of Corbyn would take us back to a more reasonable centre ground, after which a more centrist Tory party can take over again.

Can't quite believe it but I'm voting for Corbyn.
 
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