Interesting Rumour .......

[webmaster]

I find it interesting that you only deny the rumour regarding who the short list contains rather than the fact Craigy Boy may well be shown the door. I was expecting a strong denial from the trust stating how much the board are behind Levein and how they are backing him to turn it around and the fact they have every confidence in the man THEY appointed 11 months ago.

If the trust knows that on of the names in this alleged shortlist is complete bollocks, surely by telling us that it tells us the whole rumour is bollocks.


Why is it every time the trust post something someone twists it round to find a hidden meaning?

The trust can only say what they know, and the subject of the manager's future may never have come up in the conversations they've had.

Do you expect them to get on the phone to the chairman or chief exec every time someone posts a dodgy rumour?

 

[SilverFox]

Something does most cetainly have to change before we find ourselves 'doing a forest'...and don't say it couldn't happen. No one is 'too big'.

 

[Fox Fan]

Something does most cetainly have to change before we find ourselves 'doing a forest'...and don't say it couldn't happen. No one is 'too big'.

Biggest danger is we fall into the relegation zone, everyone goes "were in a transitional phase", CL get sacked in January, we get relegated for acting too late.

 

[Steven]

Come on boys, you know that this is utter crap. If Levein was on his way out, why would he still be signing players, and furthermore why would he be saying that smith's suspension means that he can see how WE train and what WE expect of him.

Those are only the words of a man who is not going to resign, not necessarily those of a man about to be sacked. :icon_eek:

 

[webmaster]

Biggest danger is we fall into the relegation zone, everyone goes "were in a transitional phase", CL get sacked in January, we get relegated for acting too late.

The biggest danger is we sack the manager, get a new manager in and then get relegated. We'll have the expense of paying off the current manager and probably his coaching staff, then the new manager could end up with a squad full of players he doesn't want, and we end up going through yet another rebuilding process.

CL is trying to build a team, let's give them a chance to gel before we judge him.
Sacking a manager part way through the season rarely has the required effect - you only have to look at the likes of f*rest and Southampton last season to see that.

 

[SilverFox]

Biggest danger is we fall into the relegation zone, everyone goes "were in a transitional phase", CL get sacked in January, we get relegated for acting too late.

I don't think it can be said that we are in a transitional phase. We have one real problem in my eyes and that is goals! Its all good being tight and not conceeding...and if you look at the last few games you'll see that we haven't conceeded that many. The trick in this league is scoring! If you don't do that you won't go anywhere! Its been our problem for well over a year and still it looks like we are as far away from a solution as ever. The manager has had nearly a year now. Transition should not even be a consideration.

Sheff united have had a lot of players in...as have leeds, are they in transition?

 

[SilverFox]

Those are only the words of a man who is not going to resign, not necessarily those of a man about to be sacked. :icon_eek:

Tim Davies would never do it! It won't happen!

 

[Steven]

Tim Davies would never do it! It won't happen!

It may not be his decision. You have to remember that CL and his staff are also in transition.

 

[Fox Fan]

I don't think it can be said that we are in a transitional phase. We have one real problem in my eyes and that is goals! Its all good being tight and not conceeding...and if you look at the last few games you'll see that we haven't conceeded that many. The trick in this league is scoring! If you don't do that you won't go anywhere! Its been our problem for well over a year and still it looks like we are as far away from a solution as ever. The manager has had nearly a year now. Transition should not even be a consideration.

Sheff united have had a lot of players in...as have leeds, are they in transition?

Spot on!

 

[webmaster]

The trick in this league is scoring! If you don't do that you won't go anywhere! Its been our problem for well over a year and still it looks like we are as far away from a solution as ever. The manager has had nearly a year now.

Our main striker started scoring goals after CL arrived last season, and continued at the start of this season. Then he was sold.

So as far as scoring goals is concerned, we are in transition. Quality goalscorers don't grow on trees, so we've had to gamble on players who are untried at this level. Hume and Hammond may end up being good enough, but they've only had a handful of matches, it's too early to tell.

Our striker who's looked most likely to score since Connolly left is de Vries, who is much improved since last season, but if he continues to get the treatment from the boo boys I'm sure he'll descend to the level they expect of him, and then all the idiots who boo him on/off the pitch can give themselves a pat on the back for a job well done.

 

[SilverFox]

Our main striker started scoring goals after CL arrived last season, and continued at the start of this season. Then he was sold.

So as far as scoring goals is concerned, we are in transition. Quality goalscorers don't grow on trees, so we've had to gamble on players who are untried at this level. Hume and Hammond may end up being good enough, but they've only had a handful of matches, it's too early to tell.

Our striker who's looked most likely to score since Connolly left is de Vries, who is much improved since last season, but if he continues to get the treatment from the boo boys I'm sure he'll descend to the level they expect of him, and then all the idiots who boo him on/off the pitch can give themselves a pat on the back for a job well done.

I am in no way a boo boy so please don't take what I am about to say in that context. I go to the games to support, and that is all I ever have done, regardless of who wears our shirt...

But you can't seriously be suggesting that DeVries is the answer. He really isn't that good Webbo. Yes he has neat touches and his hold up play is at times very good. But he is also clumsy at times, slow, and above all else frightened to shoot. Not admirable traits in a centre forward.

Don't get me wrong, he is a likeable charecter, but just not adequate for our needs. Likeable will bring me no comfort if we are floundering at Christmas time!

 

[SilverFox]

you only have to look at the likes of f*rest and Southampton last season to see that.

Forests only problem was that they didn't sack Kinnear soon enough, and Southampton, likewise should probably have never given Wiggley (I hope I didn't just make his name up) the time they did. Actually both clubs shouldn't have touched either man with a 10 foot pole!

 

[webmaster]

Sheff united have had a lot of players in...as have leeds, are they in transition?

Sheff Utd have had the money to increase the size of their squad - but the majority of their first team has been there for years.
Only three of their starting eleven on Saturday have been with the club for less than a year.
The team has been developed over a number of years - and the reason this has been able to happen is because they've stuck with the same manager - despite calls for his sacking during that time.


Leeds have a few more new players in their team - 6 of Saturday's first team have been there for over a year, but of the other 5, four are proven at this level, (and if we'd tried to sign them I'm sure they'd have been beyond our budget), and the other is on loan from a premiership club.

The problem with our team is the majority are new, and the majority don't have experience at this level. Whether they're good enough only time will tell, but I don't htink you can compare us to Sheff Utd and Leeds.

 

[webmaster]

But you can't seriously be suggesting that DeVries is the answer. He really isn't that good Webbo. Yes he has neat touches and his hold up play is at times very good. But he is also clumsy at times, slow, and above all else frightened to shoot. Not admirable traits in a centre forward.

Don't get me wrong, he is a likeable charecter, but just not adequate for our needs. Likeable will bring me no comfort if we are floundering at Christmas time!

I'm not saying he's the answer - not as an out and out goalscorer anyway. What I'm saying is that he's looked the most likely player to score since Connolly left, but the boo boys are trying their best to make sure that doesn't continue.
I think de Vries would be a decent player at this level with the right player alongside him - but he's not the answer to our goalscoring needs. As I said before, Hammond or Hume could be the player to get the goals - but it's too soon to say.

 

[SilverFox]

Sheff Utd have had the money to increase the size of their squad - but the majority of their first team has been there for years.
Only three of their starting eleven on Saturday have been with the club for less than a year.
The team has been developed over a number of years - and the reason this has been able to happen is because they've stuck with the same manager - despite calls for his sacking during that time.


Leeds have a few more new players in their team - 6 of Saturday's first team have been there for over a year, but of the other 5, four are proven at this level, (and if we'd tried to sign them I'm sure they'd have been beyond our budget), and the other is on loan from a premiership club.

The problem with our team is the majority are new, and the majority don't have experience at this level. Whether they're good enough only time will tell, but I don't htink you can compare us to Sheff Utd and Leeds.

You are right, Neil Warnock would never have kept his job if his team had consistently floated around the bottom of the table whilst they had roughly the fith best budget in the league. We should be able to hold our own. Nissa, Dublin, Tiatto, Wilcox, and Gudjonsson all have Premiership experience, Douglas has played for an old firm club for years, and has Chmpions league experience and a european cup final under his belt. Sylla, Hughes and Maybury also have SPL and european cup experience. That is a significant portion of our first team! That they are not good enough for this level is laughable.

 

[webmaster]

Forests only problem was that they didn't sack Kinnear soon enough, and Southampton, likewise should probably have never given Wiggley (I hope I didn't just make his name up) the time they did. Actually both clubs shouldn't have touched either man with a 10 foot pole!

Kinnear did well when he first went to the trees - so what reason was there to sack him sooner?

We'll probably never know if Wigley can be a decent manager, he was only there for a few months - for around the same amount of time Martin O'Neill had been at Leicester at the time of the infamous Sheffield United game. Maybe we should have sacked him then, rather than give him a chance.

The most successful managers are often the ones who have been allowed the time to build their team. Sacking a manager if he isn't an immediate succes rarely works because you just have to go through the whole rebuilding process again.

 

[SilverFox]

Don't get me wrong webbo. I'm not calling for anyones head, but I do think that something needs to change! Taking into consideration our resources we should not be in the position we currently occupy. On that I am sure we can both agree. And at the end of the day all we both want is for Levein and Leicester City to succeed.

 

[SilverFox]

Kinnear did well when he first went to the trees - so what reason was there to sack him sooner?

We'll probably never know if Wigley can be a decent manager, he was only there for a few months - for around the same amount of time Martin O'Neill had been at Leicester at the time of the infamous Sheffield United game. Maybe we should have sacked him then, rather than give him a chance.

The most successful managers are often the ones who have been allowed the time to build their team. Sacking a manager if he isn't an immediate succes rarely works because you just have to go through the whole rebuilding process again.

we aren't talking about immediate success here. A good few players were brought in early last season so they could 'gel'. Levein has been here for nearly a year...and I hope that it continues, but in football, that is a long time! The cold truth is that this is a results business, and we have been very dissapointing!

 

[webmaster]

You are right, Neil Warnock would never have kept his job if his team had consistently floated around the bottom of the table whilst they had roughly the fith best budget in the league.

In Warnock's first half season in charge they finished 16th - that's lower than we finished last season. In his first full season they finished mid table.
It's only after a couple of years building the team they started to do well.

We should be able to hold our own. Nissa, Dublin, Tiatto, Wilcox, and Gudjonsson all have Premiership experience, Douglas has played for an old firm club for years, and has Chmpions league experience and a european cup final under his belt. Sylla, Hughes and Maybury also have SPL and european cup experience. That is a significant portion of our first team! That they are not good enough for this level is laughable.

I disagree with you if you think the players we have aren't good enough for this level, I think they are good enough. They just haven't learnt how to play as a team yet. You can't throw so many new players together - particularly the number of inexperienced players we have, and expect them to perform immediately.

 

[SilverFox]

I disagree with you if you think the players we have aren't good enough for this level, I think they are good enough. They just haven't learnt how to play as a team yet. You can't throw so many new players together - particularly the number of inexperienced players we have, and expect them to perform immediately.

I do think they are good enough, thats why I said that to state otherwise is laughable.

I don't think there is a big gelling issue though. DeVries, Dublin, McCarthy, Maybury, Stearman, Gudjonnson, Williams, Hughes, Wilcox, Tiatto, Kisnorbo (who arrived before the end of last season and would be more than aware of our system) and also Sheehan, have all been in and around the team from mid - the end of last season - that is the nucleus of the team, and the majority of these players play every week. How long do they need to gel?

I would however, agree with you that up front we are still learning about each other, but I do have reservations about the quality in that department. Otherwise everywhere else we should be fairly stable. The only real new comers to the first team other than the front pairing are Sylla, Nissa and Big Rab. Other than that we have a collection of fringe players who aren't yet of first team standard, but could potentially get there.

My point however, is that the core of the team have been together for a while!
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