James Vaughan

[Profondo Rosso]

I think my main point is, who could we get as a potentially effective striker at Championship level for 1m? I can't think of any.

But you are only going to be thinking of big names.

All Pearson's best signings so far (Hobbs, Morrison, Weale, Berner) have been fairly unknown players rotting in other teams reserves or in the lower leagues. They cost, what? £600k? £700k? between them.

There are hundreds of players out there who could be potentially effective Championship strikers who would be a lot less injury prone, we could get cheaper. we just haven't heard of most of them and it's up to Pearson's so far successful scouting team to find them.

Fryatt is an effective Championship striker and he cost us only half a million. Kevin Doyle cost like £50k or something ridiculous when Reading signed him. Jason Scotland cost Swansea something similar. Ebanks-Blake cost Plymouth ~£250k.

In fact if you go back through the Championship's top 4 or 5 scorers for the past 4 or 5 seasons seasons I'd be willing to bet that the majority of them cost less than a million and a lot cost probably less than half a million.

 

[fitz]

How much did Big Trev set us back?

 

[Profondo Rosso]

How much did Big Trev set us back?

Less than DJ.

 

[Samir Nasri]

Steve Howard cost us £1.5m
DJ Campbell was £1.6m
Gallagher cost us £750k [?] I think
Wellens = £1m
Tunchev = £800k
Rob Earnshaw have been signing for different clubs for big fees.
Jermaine Beckford is being linked with a several million pound move every week to a different club
Lee Trundle = £1m
Michael Chopra = £4m, or however much it was.

The market is inflated, whether we like it or not. There's no way Chopra or Earnshaw are 3 times better than Vaughan. There's absolutely no question about Vaughan's talent and ability. His problem is his lack of fitness. If Vaughan can stay fit he could bag 20 goals in this division - that I am convinced of.

That's the going rate for strikers. It's easier to find defenders and midfielders for peanuts than it is for strikers.

It's either that or explore the loan market for another striker who can make a big impact ala Waghorn.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Steve Howard cost us £1.5m
DJ Campbell was £1.6m
Gallagher cost us £750k [?] I think
Wellens = £1m
Tunchev = £800k
Rob Earnshaw have been signing for different clubs for big fees.
Jermaine Beckford is being linked with a several million pound move every week to a different club
Lee Trundle = £1m
Michael Chopra = £4m, or however it was.

The market is inflated, whether we like it or not. There's no way Chopra or Earnshaw are 3 times better than Vaughan. There's absolutely no question about Vaughan's talent and ability. His problem is his lack of fitness. If Vaughan can stay fit he could bag 20 goals in this division - that I am convinced of.

That's the going rate for strikers. It's easier to find defenders and midfielders for peanuts than it is for strikers.

It's either that or explore the loan market for another striker who can make a big impact ala Waghorn.

It's not that or exploring the loan market at all. There are plenty of hidden gems at lesser clubs who can be found if our scouting is good enough, as it has been with Hobbs, Morrison, Weale etc.

Peter Whittington cost £250k.
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake cost £250k.
Jason Scotland cost £25k.
Kevin Doyle cost £75k.
Gary Hooper cost £100k.
Charlie Adam cost £500k.
Graham Dorrans cost £500k.
Gylfi Siggardson (sp?) cost nothing.
Darren Ambrose cost nothing.

If, as you say, there really is no question about Vaughan's talent and ability and he will undoubtedly bag 20 goals in this division (which would make him the second top scorer in this league this season). If £1mil really is cheap for a well-known striker given inflation and if Chopra and Earnshaw are worth 3 or 4 times more than him, despite also being older than him and also coming from smaller clubs and despite, as you say, the fact he will score more goals than them.

If all of that is true, then you really have to ask yourself: why exactly are Everton selling him so cheaply?

 

[fitz]

There's no way Chopra or Earnshaw are 3 times better than Vaughan. There's absolutely no question about Vaughan's talent and ability. His problem is his lack of fitness. If Vaughan can stay fit he could bag 20 goals in this division

As much as I dislike Chopra and think his ex wife is a legend.....The only evidence that we have to go on shows Chopra as a good championship player and Vaughan as being a total unknown. Even if he is of the same ability as ****Chops he'll probably play a fraction of the amount of games and that has to come into it

 

[Profondo Rosso]

As much as I dislike Chopra and think his ex wife is a legend.....The only evidence that we have to go on shows Chopra as a good championship player and Vaughan as being a total unknown. Even if he is of the same ability as ****Chops he'll probably play a fraction of the amount of games and that has to come into it

Exactly. The idea that his talent and ability is unquestionable and that there is no doubting he will be one of the top scorers in this division is preposterous.

He is an unproven player and personally from the 8 or so games he played here he looked quick, but certainly didn't look all that in front of goal.

Of course, there is a chance he could well come good, but I'm not sure I want to see us spend such a large proportion of our budget on a "possible" ability. Especially one who's injury record is so awful.

Is he great on Football Manager or something? That usually explains why some unproven players seem to be rated as "unquestionably talented" by a lot of people.

 

[Samir Nasri]

Is he great on Football Manager or something? That usually explains why some unproven players seem to be rated as "unquestionably talented" by a lot of people.

Some of us have watched him enough times in an Everton shirt.

If his fitness wasn't an issue, he'd be well worth a million quid.

FYI, Everton fans I know would love to keep him but due to his injury record they are not so sure. They don't doubt his potential.

Many Everton fans on this site say £1m is not enough and they want at least £2-3m, that's how much they rate him, and those are people who have watched him since he was a kid.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4403.0

http://www.sos1878.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=2858

In today's Mail (spit) it said that Leicester are preparing a 1m bid.

1 ****ing million? I'd rather keep him and take the chance.

I'll be furious if we sell him for that pittance.

£1m is a ****ing joke.

A lot of them clearly rate him.

 

[Lako42]

He is a quality player, he has played a lot of games for a good Everton team.

Plus im sure it would piss Derby off.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Some of us have watched him enough times in an Everton shirt.

If his fitness wasn't an issue, he'd be well worth a million quid.

FYI, Everton fans I know would love to keep him but due to his injury record they are not so sure. They don't doubt his potential.

Many Everton fans on this site say £1m is not enough and they want at least £2-3m, that's how much they rate him, and those are people who have watched him since he was a kid.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=4403.0

http://www.sos1878.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=2858






A lot of them clearly rate him.

You've watched him enough times in an Everton shirt? You mean you've seen him make an odd substitute appearance on TV? He's made 8 league starts in the space of about 5 years since her made his debut at Everton.

Even if they make thier mind up on him from his fleeting sub appearances, I remember our fans going on about how good Jordon Stewart, Matt Heath, Tommy Wright, Chris O'Grady etc. were going to be. Fans always go on about how good local, young players are.

Besides there are also a lot of fans on those forums saying they'd be happy to sell him now.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good signing, because he may well be, but he's still relatively untested bar a load of substitute appearances and there's no way you can say he will score 20 goals a season if fit based on his record. History tells us it will be a battle to keep him fit anyway.

He is a quality player, he has played a lot of games for a good Everton team.

Plus im sure it would piss Derby off.

He's made a lot of substitutions for Everton, but very rarely started. Loads of managers give lots of sub appearances to youth players who never make the grade.

Why would it piss Derby off? He did nothing in 2 games there and there's been no talk of them being after him.

 

[DesertFox]

Is he great on Football Manager or something? That usually explains why some unproven players seem to be rated as "unquestionably talented" by a lot of people.

I've never played Football Manager but from what I've seen he looks like a real talent to me. How long does it take to decide?

Whether he'd be effective over a whole season is anyone's guess. Same gamble as with all those players you mentioned. Same gamble with any player really - we bought Howard and Oakley because they were proven and exactly the sort of player you need to dig you out of a hole, but we still went down with both of them playing shit that season.

Vaughan for 1m? Or on loan again next season? I'll take it.

 

[Graz]

If Nige and his team are convinced enough of his fitness to sign him permanently, then I think at £1m it could be an amazing deal.

I'd like to see him here

 

[SJN-Fox]

We seem to have escaped relatively unscathed in the injury department this season and I am sure this is in no small part due to the scientific approach to training and fitness that the club is now using.

Everton, on the other hand, have been plagued with injuries all season long. I wonder if this is more of a factor in his injury history rather than it being the player himself.

 

[Blue Maniac]

Also worth remembering that Norwich bought Ricky Lambert for 1 million last summer, the going rate for a decent League 1 striker.

Why's he been playing for Southampton all season?

 

[Scarby]

Why's he been playing for Southampton all season?

:icon_lol:

 

[DesertFox]

Why's he been playing for Southampton all season?

:icon_redf :icon_lol:

 

[LoopisDeLupis]

For a million, I think Vaughan is a bargain. be he mildly injury-prone or not, we haven't genuinely got any strikers on the bench to challenge fryatt now waggy-boy has gone, and let's face it if the playoff semis are worth sixteen mil as i think someone said then fingers crossed DJ's gone?


Feels worth it to me- He's had a couple of one-on-ones if I remember correctly and one of those didn't go in because of a... 'tactical challenge', is that what you're supposed to say these days? Either way.

 

[Kingy_85]

Exactly. The idea that his talent and ability is unquestionable and that there is no doubting he will be one of the top scorers in this division is preposterous.

He is an unproven player and personally from the 8 or so games he played here he looked quick, but certainly didn't look all that in front of goal.

Of course, there is a chance he could well come good, but I'm not sure I want to see us spend such a large proportion of our budget on a "possible" ability. Especially one who's injury record is so awful.

Is he great on Football Manager or something? That usually explains why some unproven players seem to be rated as "unquestionably talented" by a lot of people.

Quality, gets into Evertons first team from Season 1 and soon gets into the England setup over the course of a few seasons.

GET HIM IN ! :icon_lol:

 

[teblin]

Be a good signing if we can keep him fit.

 

[tedfoxxx]

Quality, gets into Evertons first team from Season 1 and soon gets into the England setup over the course of a few seasons.

GET HIM IN ! :icon_lol:

Absolutly unstoppable on 08!