Kasper the end? Thanks for everything.

[Blaarev]

Kenny.

Oh no! They've killed Kenny

 

[M17TT C]

You bastard!

 

[Graz]

Not seen this posted, but this looks like a pretty strong statement that he's staying: http://www.thisisleicestershire.co....tory-19410167-detail/story.html#axzz2XUe718Hm

Thank God. (Other deities are available)

 

[Matt_B]

Not seen this posted, but this looks like a pretty strong statement that he's staying: http://www.thisisleicestershire.co....tory-19410167-detail/story.html#axzz2XUe718Hm

Thank God. (Other deities are available)

My concern with Kasper is that he went through this same back and forth when he left Notts County and when he left Leeds. He's very good at acting innocent, and whether he wants to leave or not, he or his agent certainly know how to play the system.

 

[Blue Maniac]

My concern with Kasper is that he went through this same back and forth when he left Notts County and when he left Leeds. He's very good at acting innocent, and whether he wants to leave or not, he or his agent certainly know how to play the system.

The difference is when he left Leeds Grayson forced him out, saying he wasn't good enough, before buying Andy Lonergan. When he left Notts he joined a far bigger club - Leeds. It's not the same this time, because Hull are arguably a smaller club, they're just temporarily in a higher division.

If Kasper does go now, he gets that little bit closer to earning the 'journeyman' tag - at 26, his next permanent club will be his fifth - which would be a shame because he's a very good keeper.

 

[Fox From The Hudd]

Sell him to Sunderland for Westwood and some cash - could be a good deal...

 

[M17TT C]

He had to leave County as he joined as part of the Munto Finance scam and they couldn't afford to keep him after and as BM says, he was pretty much forced out of Leeds so I can't see any reason to question his loyalty and comes across as one of very few down to earth footballers.

 

[Jeff]

If Kasper does go now, he gets that little bit closer to earning the 'journeyman' tag

Only to people who don't know the proper meaning of 'journeyman'.

 

[Blue Maniac]

Only to people who don't know the proper meaning of 'journeyman'.

Very ture. Within football it has taken on negative connotations. Does anyone know how this happened?

 

[Jeff]

Very ture. Within football it has taken on negative connotations. Does anyone know how this happened?

Stupidity. People see 'journey' and think it means someone who moves around a lot.


For those people unaware of the proper definition:

jour·ney·man
/ˈjərnēmən/
Noun
A trained worker who is employed by someone else.
A worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.

 

[Blue Maniac]

Stupidity. People see 'journey' and think it means someone who moves around a lot.

Ah, that seems obvious now you've said it.

 

[Jeff]

Etymology: 15th Century: from journey (in obsolete sense: a day's work) + man

 

[Redditch Fox]

Kasper is a professional footballer and pays an agent(s) to look after his best interests.

My guess is that LCFC want to sell him now and the worst case scenario is that they can't get good money for him now and he runs down his contract.

The problem is that the only offer that has come in is from Hull. From Leicester's point of view this means no bidding war to force up the price - so they will be hoping for a rival bidder to emerge. From Kasper's point of view Hull isn't a good option. He needs to join a top flight club but won't fancy one that is odds on to be instantly relegated and won't be a decent medium term good career mode.

The fact that his Dad is supposed to be good mates with Steve Bruce has no relevance when it comes down to business; LCFC's protestations that they mean to keep Kasper is about as relevant as similar statements about other 'star' players made down the years; Kasper's strategy of not making a transfer request is good tactics but he's not likely to shate his business advice even with the experts on Talking Balls.

 

[tedfoxxx]

Classic overhyped youngster. See also: Freddie Adu, Francis Jeffers etc.

He's a slave to the lolz BM. Apparently he crashed into a parked police car when he responded too sharply to his sat nav's 'turn right' instruction.

 

[bocadillo]

For those people unaware of the proper definition:

jour·ney·man
/ˈjərnēmən/
Noun
A trained worker who is employed by someone else.
A worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.

So that's what wikipedia thinks a journeyman is, is it? It's nothing of the sort.

A journeyman is unlikely to be formally employed by anybody. He is somebody who does a day's work for a day's pay. He is likely to do work for a number of people. Whether he is trained or not is irrelevant.

The word has the same etymology as the word 'journey'. From the French 'journée' which translates to 'day' in English, a journey was originally the distance that could be travelled in one day.

 

[Jeff]

So that's what wikipedia thinks a journeyman is, is it?

I don't know. I didn't get it from there.

It's nothing of the sort.
A journeyman is unlikely to be formally employed by anybody. He is somebody who does a day's work for a day's pay. He is likely to do work for a number of people. Whether he is trained or not is irrelevant.

Would you prefer the Oxford Dictionary definition?


1a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding:
[as modifier]:
a solid journeyman professional
2 historical a trained worker who is employed by someone else:
[as modifier]:
a journeyman carpenter
journeymen printers


Or the Collins dictionary definition?

a craftsman, artisan, etc, who is qualified to work at his trade in the employment of another
a competent workman
(formerly) a worker hired on a daily wage

 

[Matt_B]

Shall I call 999 cos someone got burrrrrrned?

 

[Macky]

A journeyman is unlikely to be formally employed by anybody. He is somebody who does a day's work for a day's pay. He is likely to do work for a number of people. Whether he is trained or not is irrelevant.

The word has the same etymology as the word 'journey'. From the French 'journée' which translates to 'day' in English, a journey was originally the distance that could be travelled in one day.

That's exactly the definition that I'd have given

 

[bocadillo]

Would you prefer the Oxford Dictionary definition?


1a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding:
[as modifier]:
a solid journeyman professional
2 historical a trained worker who is employed by someone else:
[as modifier]:
a journeyman carpenter
journeymen printers


Or the Collins dictionary definition?

a craftsman, artisan, etc, who is qualified to work at his trade in the employment of another
a competent workman
(formerly) a worker hired on a daily wage

All except the single last sentence reflect common usage by people who have no idea what the word means. A labourer who worked one day here and one day there would be a journeyman; training, level of skill, qualification etc are all irrelevant in the proper meaning of the word.

 

[Redditch Fox]

All except the single last sentence reflect common usage by people who have no idea what the word means. A labourer who worked one day here and one day there would be a journeyman; training, level of skill, qualification etc are all irrelevant in the proper meaning of the word.

I think that the usage in the Middle Ages and later centuries was for a worker paid by the day (thus jour- neyman) who worked for another (as distinct from self-employed). Not related to necessarily working for different people and nothing to do with journeys.