Matt Mills

[gregs_y2k]

Why do people keep claiming they know everything about what has gone on between NP and SSL and Mills?

How do you know that's why Mills and SSL were angry? Mills has missed like 2 games this season when he's been available and what people were saying/making up was that Mills was trying to tell NP how to do his job. I certainly can't see it having anything to do with not being picked in 1 game.

I'm just using it as a hypothetical, that if that was the case, it's not the worst crime in the world to want to play for your team. you've done exactly the same by saying he has adopted the Tevez approach so get off your high horse.

 

[Lako42]

I am simply sad to see another stage in Nigel Pearson's deconstruction of anything that Sven left. We will end up with a good, middling Championship team in place of a potential Premier League team.

Yes because everything that Mills has done since his arrival has been utterly Premier League class, there's no way that Matt Mills has got us into the position of a 'middling championship' side.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

Why do people keep claiming they know everything about what has gone on between NP and SSL and Mills?

How do you know that's why Mills and SSL were angry? Mills has missed like 2 games this season when he's been available and what people were saying/making up was that Mills was trying to tell NP how to do his job. I certainly can't see it having anything to do with not being picked in 1 game.

There are people who do know the majority of what has gone on, just because you don't know them doesn't mean that everyone on here is posting speculation. In both cases the incidents which are claimed to have caused the rift happened in front of several other club employees (playing and non-playing staff), some of whom like to tell their mates what has been happening.

 

[Micky]

The more I think about it the more I believe that Mills just isn't cut out of the physicality of the championship. Watching Wes Morgan and Sean St Ledger has convinced me of that. Whilst Mills has glimpses of excellence I think this is far too rare.

 

[gregs_y2k]

I said this earlier in the season and I'll say it again, we are not a defensively poor team. We have conceded 5 more goals than the team who are top of the table and that figure may be lower in 45 minutes. It's not like we are a Leeds where we have conceded almost 50 goals at this stage of the season. Our defence on the whole is not keeping us out of the top 6. Of course it could be improved and there have been occasions when they have been found lacking but the same can be said for almost any team across the country.

I think we've strengthened our back line and Morgan and St Ledger look like our strongest partnership at the back currently. That said, I think Mills still has a future here and I think it would be a poor choice to loan him out to any of our competitors for those play off spots or sell him in the summer.

Those fans looking to use him as a scapegoat need to look at our defensive record to see that we are not miles away from being promotion contenders defensively.

 

[The Major]

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@svendleeds look at my earlier tweet re. Mills. Deal was pretty much done. But player pulled out. Info from Gwyn Williams #lufc

 

[gregs_y2k]

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@svendleeds look at my earlier tweet re. Mills. Deal was pretty much done. But player pulled out. Info from Gwyn Williams #lufc

Reading those tweets, he doesn't exactly come across as a player with a terrible attitude. Quoted in the Mercury as saying he wanted to stay and on twitter as he won't move until he's had the opportunity to chat with the manager, seems to me as though he's going about this in the right way.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

I'm just using it as a hypothetical, that if that was the case, it's not the worst crime in the world to want to play for your team. you've done exactly the same by saying he has adopted the Tevez approach so get off your high horse.

:icon_lol: I was responding to you about Tevez saying he got annoyed at not being picked, to which I said is that not the Carlos Tevez approach? I never said he's adopted anything. I have no idea what's gone on, which is why I haven't commented on it.

I said this earlier in the season and I'll say it again, we are not a defensively poor team. We have conceded 5 more goals than the team who are top of the table and that figure may be lower in 45 minutes. It's not like we are a Leeds where we have conceded almost 50 goals at this stage of the season. Our defence on the whole is not keeping us out of the top 6. Of course it could be improved and there have been occasions when they have been found lacking but the same can be said for almost any team across the country.

I think we've strengthened our back line and Morgan and St Ledger look like our strongest partnership at the back currently. That said, I think Mills still has a future here and I think it would be a poor choice to loan him out to any of our competitors for those play off spots or sell him in the summer.

Those fans looking to use him as a scapegoat need to look at our defensive record to see that we are not miles away from being promotion contenders defensively.

Strange case of picking and choosing stats, comparing us to Southampton.

You could just as easily turn it around by saying we have conceded 12 more goals than Hull, who aren't even in the play-offs either, 7 more goals than Crystal Palace, who are in the bottom half or 3 goals more than Portsmouth, who are in the relegation zone.

Besides, 5 more goals conceded can be the equivalent of 10 points and Southampton, so that is quite a huge gap.

Also, there are 10 other teams who've conceded less goals than us, so I'd say our defensive record isn't good enough to be promotion contenders personally.

It doesn't make any difference if you score 120 goals of course, but we've not been doing that either. The thing is, we've not been good enough to be promotion contenders either defensively or attacking-wise.

Still don't know why people think anyone is scapegoating him anyway, people are just saying his individual performances have been poor this season and that he is rightfully 4th choice atm, this is nothing particularly new people have just begun saying now, plenty of fans have been criticising his performances throughout the season.

And since when did an individual's performance say anything about the defensive record anyway? Hell! We got promoted out of League One with one of the best defensive records with 2 mediocre full-backs and not even a proper goalkeeper. Defending can be just as much, if not more about organisation than individual performances.

 

[TornadoShaunUK]

Reading those tweets, he doesn't exactly come across as a player with a terrible attitude. Quoted in the Mercury as saying he wanted to stay and on twitter as he won't move until he's had the opportunity to chat with the manager, seems to me as though he's going about this in the right way.

I agree with this. I actually think a loan deal would do him the world of good at the moment, but it's good to see that he seems to want to stay here and I hope Pearson isn't planning on freezing him out for the sake of it as we know he can be quite stubborn. I still think he can make a great defender. I don't think he's a leader necessarily but I hope we don't jump the gun and get rid just yet.

 

[H T B]

From being Captain and playing, to being dropped out of the scene completely does seem incredbily harsh.
However, I support Leicester City, not Matt Mills.
If the manager has made this decision it's upto Matt Mills how he handles it.

 

[The Old Fox]

Yes because everything that Mills has done since his arrival has been utterly Premier League class, there's no way that Matt Mills has got us into the position of a 'middling championship' side.

No, I have been disappointed with Mills form too. It is a cumulative thing: obviously Pearson cannot think that Mills is below Championship standard, or else, why has he played him so long? It is this habit of falling out with all and sundry plus the balance of "ins" to "outs", which I see as retrograde.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

Mills to Leeds on loan is a done deal from what I've seen.

 

[gregs_y2k]

:icon_lol: I was responding to you about Tevez saying he got annoyed at not being picked, to which I said is that not the Carlos Tevez approach? I never said he's adopted anything. I have no idea what's gone on, which is why I haven't commented on it.




Strange case of picking and choosing stats, comparing us to Southampton.

You could just as easily turn it around by saying we have conceded 12 more goals than Hull, who aren't even in the play-offs either, 7 more goals than Crystal Palace, who are in the bottom half or 3 goals more than Portsmouth, who are in the relegation zone.

Besides, 5 more goals conceded can be the equivalent of 10 points and Southampton, so that is quite a huge gap.

Also, there are 10 other teams who've conceded less goals than us, so I'd say our defensive record isn't good enough to be promotion contenders personally.

It doesn't make any difference if you score 120 goals of course, but we've not been doing that either. The thing is, we've not been good enough to be promotion contenders either defensively or attacking-wise.

Still don't know why people think anyone is scapegoating him anyway, people are just saying his individual performances have been poor this season and that he is rightfully 4th choice atm, this is nothing particularly new people have just begun saying now, plenty of fans have been criticising his performances throughout the season.

And since when did an individual's performance say anything about the defensive record anyway? Hell! We got promoted out of League One with one of the best defensive records with 2 mediocre full-backs and not even a proper goalkeeper. Defending can be just as much, if not more about organisation than individual performances.

yes there are teams with better goal differences but there's only Hull, Reading and Birmingham with significantly better defences. you can't point out the defence of Pompey and highlight that they are in the relegation zone, as their position has absolutely nothing to do with what has gone on on a football pitch. The point of my post was not that our defence was promotion standard, but that it was not a problematic back four like that of Leeds' or Blackpool's

I think we were right to bring in Morgan, but I don't agree that for him to come in Mills needs to go. To me it looks like poor man management again from Pearson. I think it's harsh for your captain to be dropped entirely when your other centre back who was absent without leave after the African Cup of Nations comes straight back into the squad.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

yes there are teams with better goal differences but there's only Hull, Reading and Birmingham with significantly better defences. you can't point out the defence of Pompey and highlight that they are in the relegation zone, as their position has absolutely nothing to do with what has gone on on a football pitch. The point of my post was not that our defence was promotion standard, but that it was not a problematic back four like that of Leeds' or Blackpool's

I think we were right to bring in Morgan, but I don't agree that for him to come in Mills needs to go. To me it looks like poor man management again from Pearson. I think it's harsh for your captain to be dropped entirely when your other centre back who was absent without leave after the African Cup of Nations comes straight back into the squad.

1 goal can be the equivilant of 2 points. 5 goals can be the equivalent of 10. Fine margins in the Championship are the difference between promotion and finishing bottom half of the table. A "significantly better" defence can be the difference between the side top of the table and the side bottom.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here, I don't think anyone has said Mills needs to go. All people have said is that he deserves to be 4th choice atm. There does seem to have been something gone on between him and NP which is why he's being shipped out as opposed to just being 4th choice right now, but no one really knows what that is, so it seems strange to comment on whether it's harsh or not or poor man management or not. You just seem to have a bug in your bonnet against Pearson and use any excuse, even when you don't know what has happened, to have a pop against him.

Mills being captain should have nothing to do with it. Being captain should never automatically mean you deserve your place in the team. If Pearson took the fact Mills was captain into account when deciding whether dropping him was harsh or not then then I would criticise him, because it shouldn't matter.

I don't think even the most fervent Mills' supporter would deny he deserved to be behind SSL and Morgan after the Norwich and Watford games. As for being behind Bamba, maybe Pearson just thought Bamba was better suited as a substitute against Derby, possibly because he's much quicker and Derby have Tyson leading the attack or maybe he just thinks Bamba is a better player than Mills (I know I'd certainly agree with him on that and from what you have put in the past about Bamba, I think you would too). Not really sure why the Ivory Coast not releasing Bamba to come back in time for the previous game should affect anything.

 

[GazLCFC]

There are people who do know the majority of what has gone on, just because you don't know them doesn't mean that everyone on here is posting speculation. In both cases the incidents which are claimed to have caused the rift happened in front of several other club employees (playing and non-playing staff), some of whom like to tell their mates what has been happening.

Some also like to pretend they know what happened and tell their mates. I heard two different versions of the SSL incident, both from people inside the club.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

Some also like to pretend they know what happened and tell their mates. I heard two different versions of the SSL incident, both from people inside the club.

There are people at the club and people who were there, two different things ;-)

 

[Profondo Rosso]

There are people at the club and people who were there, two different things ;-)

You are right. However the number of actual insiders are heavily outnumbered by people who pretend they are insiders or even delude themselves into thinking that by hearing a friend of a friend of friend trying to make out how big they are at the club by making out they saw everything. So unfortunately, people who are actually "insiders" get drowned out by nonsense and any internet non-entity who can make himself out to be really "in the know".

Not to worry of course, I'll be eagerly anticipating Jimmy Kebe's arrival to Leicester, but only after Pearson has been headhunted by Burnley of course.

 

[Durham Fox]

I am simply sad to see another stage in Nigel Pearson's deconstruction of anything that Sven left. We will end up with a good, middling Championship team in place of a potential Premier League team.

Are you being serious?

 

[gregs_y2k]

1 goal can be the equivilant of 2 points. 5 goals can be the equivalent of 10. Fine margins in the Championship are the difference between promotion and finishing bottom half of the table. A "significantly better" defence can be the difference between the side top of the table and the side bottom.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here, I don't think anyone has said Mills needs to go. All people have said is that he deserves to be 4th choice atm. There does seem to have been something gone on between him and NP which is why he's being shipped out as opposed to just being 4th choice right now, but no one really knows what that is, so it seems strange to comment on whether it's harsh or not or poor man management or not. You just seem to have a bug in your bonnet against Pearson and use any excuse, even when you don't know what has happened, to have a pop against him.

Mills being captain should have nothing to do with it. Being captain should never automatically mean you deserve your place in the team. If Pearson took the fact Mills was captain into account when deciding whether dropping him was harsh or not then then I would criticise him, because it shouldn't matter.

I don't think even the most fervent Mills' supporter would deny he deserved to be behind SSL and Morgan after the Norwich and Watford games. As for being behind Bamba, maybe Pearson just thought Bamba was better suited as a substitute against Derby, possibly because he's much quicker and Derby have Tyson leading the attack or maybe he just thinks Bamba is a better player than Mills (I know I'd certainly agree with him on that and from what you have put in the past about Bamba, I think you would too). Not really sure why the Ivory Coast not releasing Bamba to come back in time for the previous game should affect anything.

I don't think he should be ahead of Morgan and St Ledger either. I just find it strange and slightly hypocritical that Mills has been dropped and there is credible news that we are trying to loan him out of the club, for whatever reason, whereas Bamba who was absent without leave has seemed to have gotten off lightly for what is arguably a much more serious issue. And I'm not bashing Bamba as a player, I think he is fantastic and probably our most skilled player. Was it the fault of the Ivory Coast that he wasn't back sooner? Toure and Drogba were back before Bamba was. I'm of course basing this on the assumption that Mills and Pearson have had a dispute of some kind about his selection. This may or may not be true, if it isn't it makes the whole affair more cryptic though and there just seems to be a degree of inconsistency here.

I don't have a bee in my bonnet about Pearson. I don't think he's a terrible manager, I think he can be tactically inept and I also thought there were better choices available at the time. However, I have stressed several times that he needs the time to do his thing and be given a proper chance to do the job. I'm just pointing out that Pearson isn't the greatest man manager, of course you don't let players get their way and you have to show them who is boss and command their respect, but Pearson has been very heavy handed with his approach on several occasions and has a habit of clashing with players. This is one of Pearson's flaws as a manager and somewhere I think he could definitely improve on.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

You are right. However the number of actual insiders are heavily outnumbered by people who pretend they are insiders or even delude themselves into thinking that by hearing a friend of a friend of friend trying to make out how big they are at the club by making out they saw everything. So unfortunately, people who are actually "insiders" get drowned out by nonsense and any internet non-entity who can make himself out to be really "in the know".

Not to worry of course, I'll be eagerly anticipating Jimmy Kebe's arrival to Leicester, but only after Pearson has been headhunted by Burnley of course.

If you can't sort speculation from fact its your problem.