Speculation Motown's hysterical and annoying, but traditional, totally unfounded Summer 2016 rumours thread

[Borderfox]

£10m? I'd snap their hands off and run to the bank laughing.

You must have been watching a different player to me, a great professional, scored goals when given the chance to play, which was precious little compared to other strikers. Did not disrupt the squad despite his lack of playing time. A player like that in the squad is worth their weight in gold . £10 million would be a snip, but he's worth more to City than that figure.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Would be gutted if Leo left. I could easily see him getting 15 goals a season if he was a regular starter for a Prem club. He's got the best strike ratio of any striker in the PL over the past 2 seasons.

It'd be utterly crazy to sell any of our regulars from last season before we even know if the new signings will adapt in general anyway, but Leo has scored some of the most important goals in theckub's history, he'll always be a fecking cult hero afaic.

 

[Brown Nose]

Would be gutted if Leo left. I could easily see him getting 15 goals a season if he was a regular starter for a Prem club. He's got the best strike ratio of any striker in the PL over the past 2 seasons.

It'd be utterly crazy to sell any of our regulars from last season before we even know if the new signings will adapt in general anyway, but Leo has scored some of the most important goals in theckub's history, he'll always be a fecking cult hero afaic.

That's sentimentality over common sense though isn't it?

Ulloa has been an excellent player for us over the last couple of years. Some really key goals, a terrific attitude and work ethic, a popular member of the squad.

However, we will be signing at least one more striker this summer - and an expensive one at that. At best, Ulloa is going to struggle for a place on the bench as fourth or fifth choice striker. At worst, he's going to disappear into the background and end up on loan to the Championship.

If he wants regular football and he can get it in the Premier League, we'd be wrong to keep him here. It might well be his last chance for such a move. And £10m for a bit part player next season is very good money.

Also, on a wider point, these players are all going to be legends whatever happens now. They're all going to go at some point. Some through their choice and some through ours. There is no sense in retaining them for the sake of it.

 

[Lako42]

No way, he offers us a different option in attack and is exceptional when defending.

 

[TornadoShaunUK]

Until we manage to sign a player that can actually replace Ulloa then it's not worth selling. £10m isn't much. We don't have another target man type striker and the defensive attributes are a nice bonus.

 

[Brown Nose]

I'd be disappointed if this is anything other than a loan move: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...k-warburton-lines-8407174#7O0MLDPRzR1qB4TH.97

 

[Borderfox]

That's sentimentality over common sense though isn't it?

Ulloa has been an excellent player for us over the last couple of years. Some really key goals, a terrific attitude and work ethic, a popular member of the squad.

However, we will be signing at least one more striker this summer - and an expensive one at that. At best, Ulloa is going to struggle for a place on the bench as fourth or fifth choice striker. At worst, he's going to disappear into the background and end up on loan to the Championship.

If he wants regular football and he can get it in the Premier League, we'd be wrong to keep him here. It might well be his last chance for such a move. And £10m for a bit part player next season is very good money.

Also, on a wider point, these players are all going to be legends whatever happens now. They're all going to go at some point. Some through their choice and some through ours. There is no sense in retaining them for the sake of it.

I think you have a good point, but the new players may or may not work in the systems adopted, time will tell. IF it all gels together, then I can see an argument for letting some players go, including Ulloa but not yet.We cannot let the basis of the Clubs success be dismantled to early, the club has to be certain that the 'new' is better than the 'old' squad of players.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

That's sentimentality over common sense though isn't it?

Ulloa has been an excellent player for us over the last couple of years. Some really key goals, a terrific attitude and work ethic, a popular member of the squad.

However, we will be signing at least one more striker this summer - and an expensive one at that. At best, Ulloa is going to struggle for a place on the bench as fourth or fifth choice striker. At worst, he's going to disappear into the background and end up on loan to the Championship.

If he wants regular football and he can get it in the Premier League, we'd be wrong to keep him here. It might well be his last chance for such a move. And £10m for a bit part player next season is very good money.

Also, on a wider point, these players are all going to be legends whatever happens now. They're all going to go at some point. Some through their choice and some through ours. There is no sense in retaining them for the sake of it.

It's not sentimentality over common sense at all.

We have no idea yet if Ulloa will be 4th or 5th choice striker.

Didn't we all think Kramaric would push him down the pecking order when he didn't? We all knew Kramaric was a talented player but he just didn't adapt for whatever reason.

We have no idea if Musa will adapt - not only as an individual to the English game (far better players than him haven't done) and to our style but also to the team - will he bring out the best of key players like Vardy or Mahrez as well as other players or will it be a case of them just not suiting each other or being too similar and just not working together to the detriment of our star players (this happens all the time. Take Ibrahimovic at Barcelona for perhaps the most high profile example).

Why are we in such a rush to break up something we know works pretty fecking well? If Musa adapts and turns out to be better than Ulloa then fine, let him go next summer or January.

But we'd be utterly crazy to start breaking up this side before we even know if the new signings work. The idea of a pecking order or "upgrades" on players surely goes against everything we've achieved which has been built largely by a great team spirit and great tactics which bring out individual player's strengths and cover individual player's weaknesses?

Surely we all, to a man, last summer, thought Inler would be ahead of Drinkwater and King in the pecking order and Simpson would never get a look in?

It's not sentiment over common sense at all. I'd say it's the most common sense option to not break up our current side until we even know if the new players adapt. We don't need the money, why do we need to be selling these players already? In a year's, or even 6 month's time if we find out Musa or whoever offers more than him to our particular style without detrimenting (or even enhancing) the game's of our other key players then fine, but we'd be absolutely nuts to start doing that already before we've even seen that.

 

[M17TT C]

Isn't Ulloa our only record signing that has actually proven worthwhile to date? Obviously excluding the new guys but as Prof says much more eloquently, there is no guarantee they'll be a hit.

Plus he's got a good chant so he stays imo.

Oh, and he's proven to be pretty reliable his whole time here so would be lunacy to let him go, even more so for such a pittance in today's market.

 

[City Fan]

Seriously? Who would you get for that price that's better?

Why for that price? Can't we spend a little more?

To get £2m more than we paid for a player who has gotten two years older, and considerably slower, would be a great bit of business.

He'll always be a hero with the important goals he has scored for us, but he was a bit part player last season and that won't change again this season.

 

[Robin127]

..but he was a bit part player last season and that won't change again this season.

A bit part player who came up with the goods when it mattered, not all of them do that, there's nothing to convince me that given the same role he wouldn't deliver again.

 

[Miles Away]

I ****ing love Lenny.

He can move in at mine if he wants.

Jesus I want to kiss that man. His contribution at the end of last year was enormous.

10 M is fair though. And I could understand if he wanted a move.

 

[Miles Away]

I'd be disappointed if this is anything other than a loan move: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...k-warburton-lines-8407174#7O0MLDPRzR1qB4TH.97

You realistically think he has a future at city?

I'm not even sure Matty James does and he is twice the player. Albeit in a different position.

I'm sort of interested in Chourdry, if only for the hair.

 

[Brown Nose]

You realistically think he has a future at city?

I'm not even sure Matty James does and he is twice the player. Albeit in a different position.

I'm sort of interested in Chourdry, if only for the hair.

Maybe. I think Dodoo has probably got a better chance of a future with us than Ulloa for example. He's built well, with good pace and composure. Not sure about his attitude though.

We've already got a squad of 30 players that have played first team football and we'll be quite rightly adding more before the end of next month.

So, a whole list of players need to go, on loan or permanently. I also like Lawrence but he'll have to go. As will Moore despite his early promise. James is another that I can't see getting anywhere close to the team again. It's sad, but true.

My basic premise is that if a player isn't good enough to be first or second choice for his position or isn't showing sufficient promise to improve to that level, he's got to be surplus to requirements.

If we accept that Vardy is first choice striker and that Okazaki and Musa are forward options that are ahead of Ulloa. And we're clearly going to get another forward in. Then I think it's unreasonable to keep Ulloa kicking about if he can get first team football elsewhere. It's actually disrespectful to him.

 

[Blaarev]

How do they come up with these sort of ideas? Jack Grealish.......

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/1...cester-for-villa-youngster-would-be-benefici/

 

[lazzer]

Not sure why we would kick Ulloa out ? We don't need the cash , we need a bigger squad this year.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Why for that price? Can't we spend a little more?

To get £2m more than we paid for a player who has gotten two years older, and considerably slower, would be a great bit of business.

He'll always be a hero with the important goals he has scored for us, but he was a bit part player last season and that won't change again this season.

Maybe. I think Dodoo has probably got a better chance of a future with us than Ulloa for example. He's built well, with good pace and composure. Not sure about his attitude though.

We've already got a squad of 30 players that have played first team football and we'll be quite rightly adding more before the end of next month.

So, a whole list of players need to go, on loan or permanently. I also like Lawrence but he'll have to go. As will Moore despite his early promise. James is another that I can't see getting anywhere close to the team again. It's sad, but true.

My basic premise is that if a player isn't good enough to be first or second choice for his position or isn't showing sufficient promise to improve to that level, he's got to be surplus to requirements.

If we accept that Vardy is first choice striker and that Okazaki and Musa are forward options that are ahead of Ulloa. And we're clearly going to get another forward in. Then I think it's unreasonable to keep Ulloa kicking about if he can get first team football elsewhere. It's actually disrespectful to him.

But again - why the hell would we accept Musa is a forward option who is ahead of Ulloa before we even know if he suits us? Why would we even accept Shinji is?

Simpson or Albrighton could barely make the bench 2 seasons ago - heck, Tom Lawrence was ahead of Albrighton in the "pecking order" for a spell that season.

Most people said the same thing you're saying about Musa being ahead of him about Kramaric last summer and most were predicting him to be our main striker and top scorer last season but he wasn't.

Absolutely everyone would've thought the same thing about Inler being ahead of Drinkwater and King too.

Things change season to season, we have no idea yet if Musa will adapt to us.

"If we accept" is the phrase you're adding in here - we shouldn't be accepting that based on players we don't even know work yet - when we do know Ulloa works and suits is.

Leo has shown no indication he wants to leave so why should we sell him? Why is it disrespectful to Ulloa if he hasn't even said that? How do you know he doesn't want to stay and fight for his place and a chance to play Champions League football? I think you're inventing some false sense of ethics to prove your point - if Ulloa wants to leave fair enough, but nothing indicates that at all, so why should we be accepting offers for him?

£10mil is a derisory offer for a good proven Premier League striker these days too - Championship strikers go for more than that. Troy Deeney is not worth 3 times as much as him ffs.

Again, why the hell are you trying to break up our side already based on "ifs" before you even seen of the new signings can adapt?

We shouldn't be selling any of our regulars from last season until we know any new signings can adapt and "do" push them down the pecking order. It's crazy to already "accept" that. Why would we break up what already works? Why would we try to fix what isn't broken with untested and experimental pieces? Haven't people learnt anything from Kramaric and Inler?

 

[City Fan]

But again - why the hell would we accept Musa is a forward option who is ahead of Ulloa before we even know if he suits us? Why would we even accept Shinji is?

We let Nugent leave before we knew that Shinji worked for us, and that didn't turn out too bad did it?

 

[City Fan]

Not sure why we would kick Ulloa out ? We don't need the cash , we need a bigger squad this year.

Who said anything about kicking him out?

 

[Feriol]

It's not unreasonable to believe that the people involved in the transfer are confident that our new record signing is better than what we already have.

Of course it remains to be proven, but for a fringe player last season like Ulloa, the message could be taken as 'we felt we could do better'. Especially our interest in Deeney who is a similar type of player. If this motivates Ulloa to leave then I understand.

That said, I think at the moment he is the most important of our fringe players as he offers something different.