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[Jeff]

We dont want that Italian bafoon -have you just heard him saying England played well.

He said England played well when it was 2-1, which they did compared to the way they've played in the rest of the tournament.

 

[DesertFox]

It's easy to blame an Italian when the reality is we have very few decent English footballers at present.

 

[Jeff]

It's easy to blame an Italian when the reality is we have very few decent English footballers at present.

I'm not blaming the manager, I'm blaming the players who don't play anywhere near as well for England as they do for their clubs.

 

[Macky]

we have very few decent English footballers at present.

There's plenty of good individual players, just none that are able to play together as a team

 

[bocadillo]

I've just had a list which included Megson 3 times :icon_conf

I'm glad I'm boating.

 

[Cate Fox]

I'm not blaming the manager, I'm blaming the players who don't play anywhere near as well for England as they do for their clubs.

hear hear (plus that groany noise you hear in parliament) :icon_lol:

 

[DesertFox]

I'm not blaming the manager, I'm blaming the players who don't play anywhere near as well for England as they do for their clubs.

I didn't think you were. Motown was though.

There's plenty of good individual players, just none that are able to play together as a team

I think they're all somewhat overrated. At the start of the game the commentator said something along the lines of "man for man, there probably isn't a player who would get in the opposition team". I thought "you might be right, although I'd maybe have Cole at left back". I don't think that's what he meant.

I remember a few months back there was a debate, who is the best player in the world, Rooney or Messi. Quite a few of the English press said Rooney, no question.

Pur-leeeze! It'd be :icon_lol: if it wasn't so :icon_redf

 

[Macky]

I remember a few months back there was a debate, who is the best player in the world, Rooney or Messi. Quite a few of the English press said Rooney, no question.

Yeah, I remember that, beginning of April wasn't it?

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Personally, I think it's Capello's archaic tactics. Beckenbauer is right, it's just a rigid kick-and-rush play it out wide and just cross it in system. That's a good system if we have the players to suit that, great long passers of the ball, big, strong, centre-forwards, but we don't. The type of players we are producing now have evolved into a much more modern, fluid continental players. Who play those styles for their clubs.

We're playing tactics 20 years out of date, that simply don't suit the players we have on offer and until we get a modern thinking manager, who plays a more creative, fluid and patient system, instead of this rigid, fast paced, long passing game we will never match the more forward thinking style of the likes of Brazil, Spain, Argentina etc. Even Germany who are traditionally more similar to our style look far more fluid in their system than we do.

England still have this attitude that tactics don't matter and it's all about the players, so we'll just stick to the cliché English tactics that everyone knows, when it's clearly outdated and holding us back.

 

[Real Sharapova]

Personally, I think it's Capello's archaic tactics. Beckenbauer is right, it's just a rigid kick-and-rush play it out wide and just cross it in system. That's a good system if we have the players to suit that, great long passers of the ball, big, strong, centre-forwards, but we don't. The type of players we are producing now have evolved into a much more modern, fluid continental players. Who play those styles for their clubs.

We're playing tactics 20 years out of date, that simply don't suit the players we have on offer and until we get a modern thinking manager, who plays a more creative, fluid and patient system, instead of this rigid, fast paced, long passing game we will never match the more forward thinking style of the likes of Brazil, Spain, Argentina etc. Even Germany who are traditionally more similar to our style look far more fluid in their system than we do.

England still have this attitude that tactics don't matter and it's all about the players, so we'll just stick to the cliché English tactics that everyone knows, when it's clearly outdated and holding us back.

Or it could be that our players are not nearly good as they think they are. They have no connection with the real world anymore, living in their gated mock-tudor estates, eating at the finest restaurants and driving/being driven in Chelsea tractors or limos. The only people they speak to are their agents, fellows pros or OK! magazine all telling them they are better than God. They believe it all ( including the existance of God, just so they can get one over on him ).

 

[spionfox]

Or it could be that our players are not nearly good as they think they are. They have no connection with the real world anymore, living in their gated mock-tudor estates, eating at the finest restaurants and driving/being driven in Chelsea tractors or limos. The only people they speak to are their agents, fellows pros or OK! magazine all telling them they are better than God. They believe it all ( including the existance of God, just so they can get one over on him ).

I'm with you on most of that.

Even the meeker ones are far too insulated from the 'real' world. The day the money bubble bursts can't come soon enough.

 

[Devonfox]

When will people accept that the players are simply not good enough. We continually build up their reputation when they are nothing better than very good club players but made to look better by the quality of international players alongside them week by week. Technically, our players are falling behind those even from the emerging nations who continue to look far more comfortable in possession than many of our players. The number of international players being sought by Premier League clubs only furthers there individual qualities whilst continuing to deprive our own players of more regular action.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Or it could be that our players are not nearly good as they think they are. They have no connection with the real world anymore, living in their gated mock-tudor estates, eating at the finest restaurants and driving/being driven in Chelsea tractors or limos. The only people they speak to are their agents, fellows pros or OK! magazine all telling them they are better than God. They believe it all ( including the existance of God, just so they can get one over on him ).

Is that just not the same in Germany, Argentina, Spain and Brazil though? I don't see why that would mean our players are worse than there's.

Anyway, moving on...

I sure hope this Mercury article is having a laugh:

City are unlikely to make an approach for a manager who is already in a position because that would require a compensation fee, but there is no shortage of candidates currently looking for work.

Strangely, Ian Dowie could move in the opposite direction to Pearson and come to the Walkers Stadium with former City keeper Tim Flowers as his assistant.

The duo finished last season at Hull as they tried to stop their slide out of the Premier League.

Dowie is rated by City owner Milan Mandaric and almost came in at the end of the 2007-08 season as a late replacement for Ian Holloway, and the return of Flowers as his assistant would be warmly received by supporters.

Paul Ince is another candidate for the job who has previously interested Mandaric.

Ince, who is currently a free agent, was high on Mandaric's list when he first arrived at the Walkers Stadium as the former England midfielder was building his reputation at Macclesfield Town.

Former City manager Micky Adams has already been linked as a possible successor to Pearson by a national newspaper. Adams led City back to the Premier League in 2003, but he resigned in October 2004 after becoming frustrated at the lack of investment by the club. He is currently manager of League Two side Port Vale.

Mandaric may prefer a young and up-and-coming manager such as Gareth Southgate or Chris Coleman.

Southgate spent three years at Middlesbrough until he was sacked last season after Boro made a poor start to life in the Championship following relegation from the top flight.

Coleman spent four years in the Premier League as Fulham boss before taking charge of Real Sociedad for a season and then returning to England to take over at Coventry City. He was sacked by the Sky Blues back in May.

One locally-based manager who has a proven record in the Championship, but is currently out of work, is Tony Mowbray.

Mowbray took West Bromwich Albion into the Premier League and an FA Cup semi-final before leaving for a brief and disastrous spell with Celtic last season. He was replaced by former City midfielder Neil Lennon. Mowbray lives in Solihull and could view City as a club with good potential and plenty of promise.

Whoever takes over from Pearson will fancy their chances of building on the solid foundations that are currently in place.

I do not want any name on that list. I'd much rather go with an unknown/untested man than any of that shower of shit.

 

[Leigh]

Good God that list is depressing.

 

[Matt_B]

Basically they took Jeff's generator. It's lazy journalism, they know if they name enough out of work managers they will get one right and can say they knew all along.

I'd still be more than happy with Mowbray, might even consider him a step up.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

I wouldn't.

Probably the worst manager in Celtic's history and it took him a lot of money to get WBA promoted, something we simply don't have.

 

[Mike - True Blue Tinter]

I wouldn't.

Probably the worst manager in Celtic's history and it took him a lot of money to get WBA promoted, something we simply don't have.

Micky Adams it is then!

 

[pds]

Surely John Barnes is the worst Celtic manager ever.

 

[DesertFox]

Of that list, Mowbray is the only one that wouldn't depress me greatly.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

I think it will be a Rodgers and Clarke partnership with Powell retained as a coach to keep some continuity.