Physiotherapy/sports medicine contact details help?

[Mike - True Blue Tinter]

I've no idea when or what my first match was. In fact I can't even remember which games I went to last season.

I prefer to wipe most games from my memory.

Apart obviously from the memorable ones, like Howard's bullet header against Leeds to win in injury time at the end of the League 1 season.

And Nalis's running 30yd screaming volley in 2004 when we beat Leeds 4-0!

 

[David Gwilliam]

you go to uni to study physiotherapy?

and they wonder why the unis are in trouble

You are absolutely right, Darth. University should be about education and not about vocational training. I am all in favour of large numbers of students going to university but at university they should have to study serious subjects.

All this does not really excuse the rather churlish comments aimed toward a young man seeking assistance.

 

[Leesoh]

I think the point is that someone who is bright enough to go to Uni should have the wit and intelligence to find out the info he wanted without resorting to posting on an Internet forum. Especially when that info is readily available, as demonstrated above.

 

[Si Nick]

I think the point is that someone who is bright enough to go to Uni should have the wit and intelligence to find out the info he wanted without resorting to posting on an Internet forum. Especially when that info is readily available, as demonstrated above.

Alternatively it shows the laziness of youth to focus on a message board where people will do the work for you, then do the research yourself

 

[Mawsley]

Stop being ageist.

There are those of us who are chronically-challenged who are plenty ****ing lazy too.

 

[Darth Vodka]

All this does not really excuse the rather churlish comments...

welcome to the internet

 

[Leesoh]

Alternatively it shows the laziness of youth to focus on a message board where people will do the work for you, then do the research yourself

That as well.

 

[bocadillo]

All this does not really excuse telling lies to curry favour in the hope of getting information that anybody with half a brain could find for themselves.

You're right.

 

[David Gwilliam]

welcome to the internet

You are half right - parts of the internet.
On a medieval history forum that I know well no flaming of any kind is allowed and rightly since it would be inappropriate to the ethos of that forum
Here I have at times clashed with Kingy 65, Mawsley, BM and no doubt others that have slipped my mind. Oh yes Beaumont has had a go when I defended the manager who brought Oakley to the club. Great - sport is about conflict.. It goes with the territory. On the medieval history forum I would find it offensive here I find it adds to the fun.

Recently Jas123 was upset by the criticism and left the Forum. He was right to leave. As Harry Truman once said "If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen."

I still maintain the young man was right to ask his question here. I would criticize any ambitious young person who did not explore every avenue. This does not stop me regarding University courses in Physiotherapy as a joke. If a youngster is not capable of taking difficult subjects then training is fine but not to be counted as a degree.

 

[Graz]

Pretty sure his degree is Sports Science, not physiotherapy.

And I don't really understand why Sports Science wouldn't be seen as a proper degree. Or how someone is to learn that without studying at University.

It may not be a traditional degree, but it's a valid subject.

 

[Ike O'Noclassed]

Pretty sure his degree is Sports Science, not physiotherapy.

And I don't really understand why Sports Science wouldn't be seen as a proper degree. Or how someone is to learn that without studying at University.

It may not be a traditional degree, but it's a valid subject.

Dave Rennie wrote an interesting article in the City v Forest Programme. Dave's got a degree in Sports Science then went on to another degree in Physiotherapy. He's also registered for a PhD with Loughborough Uni, and the collaboration with their Sports Scientists is growing. It's clear from the article that he's still building up that area of the club - it didn't collapse when NP left. He points out that Premiership clubs have up to five times the resources we have - Dave's looking to take on Sports Science staff - bet they need a degree minimum.

It's not as if this is anything new. The bucket and sponge man in the glory days of the 60s, Alex Dowdells had a medical degree - and Matt Gillies was a medical student before War service intervened.

If R. Smith is still around, you could also try some of the semi-pro clubs - though you won't get paid. A friend of my son did this up on Merseyside, and built up some great contacts. Now he has a degree in Sports Science and he's working with Liverpool's 1st team - not bad for a "not proper" degree subject.

 

[David Gwilliam]

Pretty sure his degree is Sports Science, not physiotherapy.

And I don't really understand why Sports Science wouldn't be seen as a proper degree. Or how someone is to learn that without studying at University.

It may not be a traditional degree, but it's a valid subject.

The reason is that it is not deep enough. If a young man is interested (more than interested hopefully) in "bodies" let him study Biology which is a subject with real depth. My experience is that the most brilliant students are those who have degrees in Physics though they tend to be unworldy. I accept that the unworldly is a generalisation but I believe no one gets a Physics degree without being brilliant. My experience is that their closest rivals have degrees in Law - very clever and usually worldly w*s*. I hasten to say that I have no qualification in either Physics or Law.

Subjects like Biology, History, Chemistry, Philosophy, Politics . Geography etc should leave a student with a worthwhile body of knowledge and unserstanding about society or the world or the universe.
Someone could gain a degree in Sports Science while remaining totally ignorant of the world - ignorant in the proper sense of "knowing little or nothing" and not "ignorant" in the newer sense of bad mannered.

I am puzzled by Graz question on where people who are not capable of a degree would go to study Sports Science. People do not go to university to study to be a plumber or an electrician - yet arguably plumbers and electricians are more valuable to society than physicists, lawyers or sports scientists.

Training is important but it should never be confused with education.

 

[LoopisDeLupis]

I think the point is that someone who is bright enough to go to Uni should have the wit and intelligence to find out the info he wanted without resorting to posting on an Internet forum. Especially when that info is readily available, as demonstrated above.

I think he was looking to see if anyone could sort it out without having to go through all the application crap and them not knowing what you're actually like. Wrong way to do it, as you don't come out and ask if people have contacts, but regardless. Also, this is maybe part of the research? You don't know he's not doing other things!

Pretty sure his degree is Sports Science, not physiotherapy.

And I don't really understand why Sports Science wouldn't be seen as a proper degree. Or how someone is to learn that without studying at University.

It may not be a traditional degree, but it's a valid subject.

Can't argue with that. The definition "degree" is in itself what needs changing. Not, necessarily, the tuition fees. Just what counts as what.

 

[LoopisDeLupis]

...Subjects like Biology, History, Chemistry, Philosophy, Politics . Geography etc...

Is economics in there?

 

[Graz]

The reason is that it is not deep enough. If a young man is interested (more than interested hopefully) in "bodies" let him study Biology which is a subject with real depth. My experience is that the most brilliant students are those who have degrees in Physics though they tend to be unworldy. I accept that the unworldly is a generalisation but I believe no one gets a Physics degree without being brilliant. My experience is that their closest rivals have degrees in Law - very clever and usually worldly w*s*. I hasten to say that I have no qualification in either Physics or Law.

Subjects like Biology, History, Chemistry, Philosophy, Politics . Geography etc should leave a student with a worthwhile body of knowledge and unserstanding about society or the world or the universe.
Someone could gain a degree in Sports Science while remaining totally ignorant of the world - ignorant in the proper sense of "knowing little or nothing" and not "ignorant" in the newer sense of bad mannered.

I am puzzled by Graz question on where people who are not capable of a degree would go to study Sports Science. People do not go to university to study to be a plumber or an electrician - yet arguably plumbers and electricians are more valuable to society than physicists, lawyers or sports scientists.

Training is important but it should never be confused with education.

Plumbers/electricians don't require hours and hours of technical reading to be trained in their field. Learning how a toilet works or how to wire a TV isn't as complex as learning the ins and outs of how the human body works

Biology would not train someone in Sports Science, and a lot of the Biology would not be relevant to them in future. Sports Science degrees tend to be a mixture of biology, medicine and of course, sports.

I don't really see how doing Law benefits society more than doing Sports Science, or is any less vocational...

And at the end of the day, if he wants to get into Sports Science, then a Sports Science degree is obviously more useful to him than anything else.

What about Philosophy, History, Geography etc do you think it is that gives someone a "worthwhile body of knowledge", and why is it important for someone to become worldly? Personally, I think someone going to University to become wise and have a wide range of knowledge is, in a way, wasting their time more than someone doing a more focused subject - unless they plan on making a career of going on TV quiz shows.

 

[David Gwilliam]

Is economics in there?

Certainly. Anyone who studies Economics is going to have a body of knowledge and understanding. I wrote "subjects like" because I knew I would inevitably miss some subject out. Environmental Science, Classics, Archaeology, English Lit also get in.
It is the depth of the study, the body of knowledge and understanding that is "earns" a degree.

 

[SJN-Fox]

Plumbers/electricians don't require hours and hours of technical reading to be trained in their field. Learning how a toilet works or how to wire a TV isn't as complex as learning the ins and outs of how the human body works

You've never read the IEE regulations (16th or 17th or the soon to be released 18th edition) then.

 

[pork pie fox]

Perhaps those commenting on people with sports science degrees, whilst having little or no understanding of what the subject entails, would be better off asking someone who has studied it what is involved before telling others how worthy it is. Since the subject in question is what I studied at Loughborough, as part of a joint degree with Maths, feel free to ask and I'll clear it up for you. That way you won't make comments that clearly show your ignorance on the subject. I'd be interested to know where Maths sits in your 'subjects worthy of a degree' table David and I can let you know how it compares with Sports Science with regards to the depth of study required.

It's often said on here that those who haven't attended a match have less knowledge of it when compared to those who went to the game and as such their opinion isn't as valid, maybe you should bear this in mind before giving an opinion that shows just how little you know about the topic.

For the record my brother is a lawyer in London and so I'm fully aware of the amount of work that goes into other subjects such as this.

 

[David Gwilliam]

Plumbers/electricians don't require hours and hours of technical reading to be trained in their field. Learning how a toilet works or how to wire a TV isn't as complex as learning the ins and outs of how the human body works

Biology would not train someone in Sports Science, and a lot of the Biology would not be relevant to them in future. Sports Science degrees tend to be a mixture of biology, medicine and of course, sports.

I don't really see how doing Law benefits society more than doing Sports Science, or is any less vocational...

And at the end of the day, if he wants to get into Sports Science, then a Sports Science degree is obviously more useful to him than anything else.

What about Philosophy, History, Geography etc do you think it is that gives someone a "worthwhile body of knowledge", and why is it important for someone to become worldly? Personally, I think someone going to University to become w*s* and have a wide range of knowledge is, in a way, wasting their time more than someone doing a more focused subject - unless they plan on making a career of going on TV quiz shows.

Graz is always very interesting.. Obviously I intended my comments to provoke (althougth I believe every word). However, we have got some way from the young man's initial request. I will, of course, enjoy any replies from Graz or others but I will let my posts on the topic rest after this.

No one has yet accused me of mere snobbishness though my comments might well have suggested that. So let me say that I give a higher status to the armed forces and to nurses than to lawyers or physicists. I would have loved to have become a professional footballer or boxer but was let down by a total absence of talent. In the end there is more to life than education.

The point about Law is well-made. I do believe that the study of the law involves incredible complexity and gives arguably an insight into the workings of society greater than any other subject and rises far above mere training. Certainly it attracts extraordinarily able people.

I suspect, Graz, that we have a fundamentally different view of education. You see it in terms of being relevant, being useful, benefiting society and making a career. To me these are secondary.

 

[Mawsley]

Graz is always very interesting.. Obviously I intended my comments to provoke (althougth I believe every word). However, we have got some way from the young man's initial request. I will, of course, enjoy any replies from Graz or others but I will let my posts on the topic rest after this.

As a Physicist, I have to state that advocating that a would-be Sports Scientist should be studying Biology in place of Sports Science displays a wholesale lack of understanding about either course.

Obviously, you will be refraining from replying - so let me just add that your other comments about the merits of vocational professions hold no water either.