Portsmouth (H)

[fitz]

Sorry guys Sven has tunnel vision, once hes gone for a player he likes ,others in the squad can forget it ,you can see it in the players now ,
how many good players has he let out on loan , or sold ,lets get Pearson back .

How many players has he let out on loan or sold? Based on their efforts this season I think that stands at a whopping **** all.

 

[Redditch Fox]

If it had been down to Sven's results we would be challenging for automatic promotion.

Any comment on Sven's managership should show awareness of two factors.
We were bottom when Sven arrived and facing a struggle against relegation.
Sven has not had a close-season when he could build his team.

No question that Sven has done an excellent job in getting us out of the mess created by the club (in manipulating the losing of Pearson) and the hopeless Sousa.

However, what matters now is where things go from here. We are effectively out of the play off race. When people have to talk about 'mathematical' possibilities you know its over in reality.

The owners have spent big time on the loanees and they will be considering whether Sven is going to deliver value for money from here on. He does seem to have got trapped into picking certain players irrespective. I suspect that part of the problem is that there is an explicit or perhaps tacit understanding with players/ loaning clubs that particular loanees have to be picked if they are declared fit.

Then there is the goalkeeping situation. Anyone who watches Ricardo can see that he doesn't command anyone's confidence (except possibly Sven's). Weale isn't the complete article but he looks the better bet.

I expected it to be difficult yesterday partly because I think that we have been well and truly rumbled. Sven has to show over the summer that he's not only a world renowned manager - but he also understands like Warnock what's required to get promoted from this 'nasty' division.

 

[4-4-2]

Sorry guys Sven has tunnel vision, once hes gone for a player he likes ,others in the squad can forget it ,you can see it in the players now ,
how many good players has he let out on loan , or sold ,lets get Pearson back .

Are you for real?

 

[Graz]

There are still 24 points to play for... and a point that no one seems to have picked up on is that a lot of the teams above us are dropping a fair few points at the minute too.

It's still a possibility, just not the way we have been playing the last 5 games or so. Get back to how we were before that, and it's on though. I reckon if we can get about 18 points or so, we'd still make the playoffs.... as long as we don't drop too many points in the games against Forest, Reading and Burnley.

As I say, the way we're playing lately we won't make it... but a couple of new players that will add something new to the team, and there is still the potential to get there.

A striker that can score and a physical midfielder that Sven wants could sort us out

 

[beaumontfox]

Sorry guys Sven has tunnel vision, once hes gone for a player he likes ,others in the squad can forget it ,you can see it in the players now ,
how many good players has he let out on loan , or sold ,lets get Pearson back .

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You're a fecking eejit.

 

[Cate Fox]

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You're a fecking eejit.

I prefer the term gobshite, but I'll let you off this time...

 

[spionfox]

Sven Sorry Spelt His Name Wrong Name Wrong

It's only fair to point out that you made more mistakes than just that one.

 

[Thrax]

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You're a fecking eejit.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

we have spent money as if it is going out of fashion. We may not have the right to expect more, but I think that the owners do.

The owners have spent big time on the loanees and they will be considering whether Sven is going to deliver value for money from here on.

Why do people keep bringing this nonsense up?! We have NOT spent as if it were going out of fashion, the owners have NOT spent big time on loanees, we have spent mostly money that the club has brought in on transfers. Money has barely been pumped in to the club on the transfer side at all.

Most of our signings have been paid for by outgoing players. DJ, Morrison and Fryatt going out would probably have brought in £4mil+, possibly £5mil in transfer fees and wages saved alone and the plethora of loan outs as well as other players (Wesolowski, Adams, Brown, Solano) leaving freeing up money from wages (and Weso and Adams got us a transfer fee too).

There can only be a very small difference in the total transfer fees/wages going in and out this season.

 

[drummindefender]

I heard my first sven out yesterday

 

[Graz]

Why do people keep bringing this nonsense up?! We have NOT spent as if it were going out of fashion, the owners have NOT spent big time on loanees, we have spent mostly money that the club has brought in on transfers. Money has barely been pumped in to the club on the transfer side at all.

Most of our signings have been paid for by outgoing players. DJ, Morrison and Fryatt going out would probably have brought in £4mil+, possibly £5mil in transfer fees and wages saved alone and the plethora of loan outs as well as other players (Wesolowski, Adams, Brown, Solano) leaving freeing up money from wages (and Weso and Adams got us a transfer fee too).

There can only be a very small difference in the total transfer fees/wages going in and out this season.

Very, very good post.


Was going to say I agree with all of it, except that it's not really right to include Weso in that as he left quite a while ago.

Then checked it out and realised he only left permanently at the end of last season, which I was quite suprised by.

So I just agree with all of it

 

[Hazzman]

Why do people keep bringing this nonsense up?! We have NOT spent as if it were going out of fashion, the owners have NOT spent big time on loanees, we have spent mostly money that the club has brought in on transfers. Money has barely been pumped in to the club on the transfer side at all.

Most of our signings have been paid for by outgoing players. DJ, Morrison and Fryatt going out would probably have brought in £4mil+, possibly £5mil in transfer fees and wages saved alone and the plethora of loan outs as well as other players (Wesolowski, Adams, Brown, Solano) leaving freeing up money from wages (and Weso and Adams got us a transfer fee too).

There can only be a very small difference in the total transfer fees/wages going in and out this season.

Disagree strongly. For the loan deals, you're looking at 500k upwards a player in loan term deals and I'd guess Yakubu's wages are probably only just about covered by the seven players you've mentioned. You've gotta consider the amount of overheads which come with loan players; temporary housing for example.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Disagree strongly. For the loan deals, you're looking at 500k upwards a player in loan term deals and I'd guess Yakubu's wages are probably only just about covered by the seven players you've mentioned.

We are reportedly paying Yakubu £40k a week and will be here for approximately 19 weeks, which equated to £760k total in wages.

We got £1.2-1.6mil transfer fee plus saving the the 18 months of wages of a player who was undoubtedly one of highest earners. The Fryatt sale has paid for Yakubu's wages twice over.

Do you really think loans for the likes of van Aanholt and Naughton would be worth £500k in loan fees? Do you really think teams like Coventry and Middlesbrough would have gotten them on loans in past seasons if so? Fact is, with the exception of Yakubu, the other loan deals are no more prestigious than we would have gotten under Pearson (McGivern, Waghorn, Cleverly, Spearing, Vaughan) or similar to loan deals many other Championship clubs have brought in, there is no way these are going to cost upwards of £500k in a loan fee, else other Championship clubs would not bother with them or could not afford them.

 

[Graz]

Disagree strongly. For the loan deals, you're looking at 500k upwards a player in loan term deals and I'd guess Yakubu's wages are probably only just about covered by the seven players you've mentioned.

DJ was on over 20k a week. I doubt Solano was far off that either. Yakubu is reported to be on £45k. Just their wages probably cover him, not to mention the transfer fee.

Where did you get the £500k upwards for a loan deal?

 

[Hazzman]

DJ was on over 20k a week. I doubt Solano was far off that either. Yakubu is reported to be on £45k. Just their wages probably cover him, not to mention the transfer fee.

Where did you get the £500k upwards for a loan deal?

No way would a player we picked up on a free be on 20k a week.

We are reportedly paying Yakubu £40k a week and will be here for approximately 19 weeks, which equated to £760k total in wages.

We got £1.2-1.6mil transfer fee plus saving the the 18 months of wages of a player who was undoubtedly one of highest earner. The Fryatt sale has paid for Yakubu's wages twice over.

Do you really think loans for the likes of van Aanholt and Naughton would be worth £500k in loan fees? Do you really think teams like Coventry and Middlesbrough would have gotten them on loans in past seasons if so? Fact is, with the exception of Yakubu, the other loan deals are no more prestigious than we would have gotten under Pearson (McGivern, Waghorn, Cleverly, Spearing, Vaughan) or similar to loan deals many other Championship clubs have brought in, there is no way these are going to cost upwards of £500k in a loan fee, else other Championship clubs would not bother with them or could not afford them.

Yakubu cost 750k in a loan fee. Naughton was around the 500k mark, we outbidded QPR for him and Warnock conceded that the fee was daft. Bruma a similar amount, Benfica and West Brom asked about him. Sven has confirmed that there's a set amount with Chelsea lads which is lowered on games played. The players we've signed on loan we've beat off competition and offered bonuses. Bruma bought a new motor off the back of his. These players are all earning a decent wage as they've been signed from elsewhere to their respective clubs unlike Cleverley, Davies, McGivern etc.

The lads you've mention also fetched loan fees under Pearson but there was less competition. Similar to this, Mee and Cunningham had no add-on's due to a lack of interest.

Your argument is almost my point. Davies, Kirkland and Bednar all signed with probably loan fees. No Championship club would touch Davies, Kirkland's deal with Cardiff broke down and Bednar ends up in Turkey despite Bristol City's interest. Again we paid their wages in the case of Davies who'd probably be on a similar amount to Yakubu for three months, Kirkland and Bednar's for a month too.

Ask yourself why Cov only had Van Aanholt for a short period of time but only Newcastle could take him on for a longer period. Middlesbrough were spending money left, right and centre under Strachan.

Add to even that Wellens and Gallagher's new contracts with signing on fee's too. Bamba's too. Plus them daft signings by Sousa too will have signing on fee's...Moreno cost money.

And eventually add numerous percentage's going to agents.

To top it off, the owners have been quoted as saying this season budget was surpassed in January.

There we go, easy.

 

[slyfox]

We are reportedly paying Yakubu £40k a week and will be here for approximately 19 weeks, which equated to £760k total in wages.

We got £1.2-1.6mil transfer fee plus saving the the 18 months of wages of a player who was undoubtedly one of highest earners. The Fryatt sale has paid for Yakubu's wages twice over.

Do you really think loans for the likes of van Aanholt and Naughton would be worth £500k in loan fees? Do you really think teams like Coventry and Middlesbrough would have gotten them on loans in past seasons if so? Fact is, with the exception of Yakubu, the other loan deals are no more prestigious than we would have gotten under Pearson (McGivern, Waghorn, Cleverly, Spearing, Vaughan) or similar to loan deals many other Championship clubs have brought in, there is no way these are going to cost upwards of £500k in a loan fee, else other Championship clubs would not bother with them or could not afford them.

Would it not have been wiser to spend Fryatt's money on somebody permanently?

 

[Ike O'Noclassed]

No way would a player we picked up on a free be on 20k a week........

And eventually add numerous percentage's going to agents.

To top it off, the owners have been quoted as saying this season budget was surpassed in January.

There we go, easy.

Zahavi made £3m+ from Yak's sale from Pompey to Middlesbro .... just thinking of that makes me think the claim that we're paying for him out of the change we saved from DJ and Nobby is a tad optimistic.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Yakubu cost 750k in a loan fee. Naughton was around the 500k mark, we outbidded QPR for him and Warnock conceded that the fee was daft. Bruma a similar amount, Benfica and West Brom asked about him. Sven has confirmed that there's a set amount with Chelsea lads which is lowered on games played. The players we've signed on loan we've beat off competition and offered bonuses. Bruma bought a new motor off the back of his. These players are all earning a decent wage as they've been signed from elsewhere to their respective clubs unlike Cleverley, Davies, McGivern etc.

The lads you've mention also fetched loan fees under Pearson but there was less competition. Similar to this, Mee and Cunningham had no add-on's due to a lack of interest.

Your argument is almost my point. Davies, Kirkland and Bednar all signed with probably loan fees. No Championship club would touch Davies, Kirkland's deal with Cardiff broke down and Bednar ends up in Turkey despite Bristol City's interest. Again we paid their wages in the case of Davies who'd probably be on a similar amount to Yakubu for three months, Kirkland and Bednar's for a month too.

Ask yourself why Cov only had Van Aanholt for a short period of time but only Newcastle could take him on for a longer period. Middlesbrough were spending money left, right and centre under Strachan.

Add to even that Wellens and Gallagher's new contracts with signing on fee's too. Bamba's too. Plus them daft signings by Sousa too will have signing on fee's...Moreno cost money.

And eventually add numerous percentage's going to agents.

To top it off, the owners have been quoted as saying this season budget was surpassed in January.

There we go, easy.

That's fair enough and I will admit I did not take into account loan fees, but I am wondering where you got all this information from? I'd be interested to know how you know all these loan fees for the likes of Yakubu, Naughton and Bruma.

Spurs were supposedly asking Hull for a £200k loan fee, so I'm not sure it would be as high as £500k from and where you heard about a similar loan fee for Bruma, as I very much doubt it would be as high as that.

Also, according to the Mirror (not the greatest of sources I know) the loan fee for Kirkland fell through because of a bonus if they got to the Prem of £50k, not because of any loan fee: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...h-club-go-up-with-his-help-article709607.html

 

[Mattmeister]

If anyone has run out of knees to jerk, there appears to be a large quantity of them on Bentley's Roof Messageboard.

 

[Leigh]

We got £1.2-1.6mil transfer fee plus saving the the 18 months of wages of a player who was undoubtedly one of highest earners. The Fryatt sale has paid for Yakubu's wages twice over.

Didn't we agree to rather large sell-on clause when we bought Fryatt from Walsall because we got him for just £350k (rising to more with goals/appearances)? Not that whatever was left wouldn't have covered Yak's wages.