Questions for the Foxes Trust

[Disco Bob]

So Disco Bob will you find more to celebrate if the prices remain unchanged, rather than them being reduced?

Why don't you ask a question that has an answer to it? There isn't going to be a reduction in prices.

But carry on - the amusement is causes fills a void in the close-season.

 

[Disco Bob]

How naive are you?

Says the little man playing at being 'an important person'. :icon_lol:

 

[Biffa Bacon]

How naive are you?

Do you really believe ST sales are the same as last year, surely just reading the message board posts on here & foxestalk would tell you that isn't true

We could post our source, but we don't want them sacked

Mr Bason, you are telling us nothing at all just intimating that you have 'inside knowledge' that the sales are poor, you have no figures to back this up and are just adding to the general lack of real information that we get from the club now. If you have anything useful that you can tell us please do.

It is clear that the club won't be reducing ticket prices so would you rather have an empty stadium or will you get behind a campaign to get people in to the ground? It is clear that the clubs with the most support made it out of league 1 (or almost in the case of Leeds) last year and city will need as much support as they can achieve to get up.

 

[Redditch Fox]

How naive are you?

Do you really believe ST sales are the same as last year, surely just reading the message board posts on here & foxestalk would tell you that isn't true

We could post our source, but we don't want them sacked

ST sales for next season are unlikely to defy the law of gravity.

Successive seasons of poor performances, lack of goals, relegation, no major financial incentives to buy STs, worsening economy must equal a significant fall in sales.

Like any business, the club will understandably try to talk up their business - but there won't be any major extra loyalty factor here. The only key positive factors i can think of is where people have a special wish to have 'their own seats' or 'sit near friends' or have a keen interest in qualifying for tickets to away games at low capacity grounds.

In my opinion we will be down to average home gates in the region of 17,000 to 18,000 providing we are competitive - a drop of circa 25% on this year's attendances.

I don't think it's possible for the FT or anyone else to get the club to change its pricing policy for next season at this stage and I can see a potential dilemma for the FT when the club is forced to make inducements during the season to try to attract 'casual' supporters to the preceived detriment of those that have bought their STs.

 

[Disco Bob]

The cost of season tickets for next year at Premier League clubs has risen by 8%, more than twice the rate of consumer price inflation.

Makes a price freeze seem almost generous. source

Sunderland - up 21.9%
Portsmouth - up 17.5%
Blackburn - up 12.9%
Tottenham - up 10.7%
Wigan - up 10%
Middlesbrough - up 4.1%
West Ham - up 3.8%%
Man City - up 3.5%
Arsenal - up 2.6%
Chelsea- unchanged

Blimey - us and Chelsea!

Everyone would love a price cut - but the prices are fixed for this year and buying before the 31st offers a reasonable purchase. You choose not to buy your ticket, fair play to you, but the time to complain was before the decision was made...a period of time when the Trust was silent, when Bason was not being quoted in The Mercury. A period of time when the rest of us were phoning, emailing and writing to the club.

Running around like a prat claiming that sales will drop 50% will leave you looking a bigger fool come August and simply serves to further distance the Trust from the fanbase. The decision to mount a campaign that had no possibility of a successful outcome was deeply flawed, yet another example of the logic of a man more interested in being quoted in the paper than acting in the best interests of the organisation's members.

We know there will be a drop-off in sales, everyone knows this - your hysterical Chicken Likken act, proclaiming the sky is falling, helps in what way? The obvious conclusion from this is that you support a decreased level of investment in the playing staff for the push for promotion, that you support the waste of money on posting rebate cheques to thousands of season ticket holders.

The obvious conclusion is that, as a marginalised organisation and as a marginalised individual, you are pushing to destabilise the club in order to see the return of someone who will will allow you to make the cups of tea in the boardroom once more.

We need your ill-considered, poorly incepted, amateurish campaign like we need relegation. Pack up, shut up and do us all a favour - let someone competent do the job.

 

[bocadillo]

Mr Bason, you are telling us nothing at all just intimating that you have 'inside knowledge' that the sales are poor, you have no figures to back this up and are just adding to the general lack of real information that we get from the club now. If you have anything useful that you can tell us please do.

The FT is telling us that they can't get accurate figures out of the club. The FT is telling us that staff have been told to keep the real figures out of the public view, whilst the club makes mealy-mouthed statements about season ticket sales being "in line". The suggestion from the FT is that the club are not been honest; I think it is very useful for fans to know that the club is trying to fool the fans with their dishonesty.

It is clear that the club won't be reducing ticket prices so would you rather have an empty stadium or will you get behind a campaign to get people in to the ground? It is clear that the clubs with the most support made it out of league 1 (or almost in the case of Leeds) last year and city will need as much support as they can achieve to get up.

People will make their own decisions about whether they will "get into the ground". It isn't the responsibility of the FT to promote the business of a company that it believes is not being honest with its customers.

You suggest that the teams that were best supported were the ones that got to the top of league one last season - have you thought that they might have got the best support for the very reason that they were at the top of the division. How much thought have you given to the chicken-or-egg argument?


I congratulate the FT for their campaign on ticket prices. If only there were more like them in the game as a whole and less sheep who are only too willing to pay ever increasing prices, perhaps we wouldn't be seeing the average 16% rise in the cost of season tickets that we are seeing in the Premier League this year.

 

[homer]

So, let me get this right

The 'voice of the fans' finally gets off its arse and complains about how the club is shafting the supporters (exactly what every supporter is saying on here and elsewhere), and people are feckin' moaning about it ?

It might not be the best campaign in the world, or the best timed, or whatever - but this is the type of thing that the FT should have been doing for a long, long time. You might wish to argue too little too feckin' late, but I can't see why people are having a go at them for doing their proper job for the first time in feckin' years

Perhaps they should just go back to farting around organising the five a side competition and sit on their hands doing precisely nothing whilst everything around us turns to shit ?

You couldn't make it up

 

[Biffa Bacon]

The FT is telling us that they can't get accurate figures out of the club. The FT is telling us that staff have been told to keep the real figures out of the public view, whilst the club makes mealy-mouthed statements about season ticket sales being "in line". The suggestion from the FT is that the club are not been honest; I think it is very useful for fans to know that the club is trying to fool the fans with their dishonesty.




People will make their own decisions about whether they will "get into the ground". It isn't the responsibility of the FT to promote the business of a company that it believes is not being honest with its customers.

You suggest that the teams that were best supported were the ones that got to the top of league one last season - have you thought that they might have got the best support for the very reason that they were at the top of the division. How much thought have you given to the chicken-or-egg argument?


I congratulate the FT for their campaign on ticket prices. If only there were more like them in the game as a whole and less sheep who are only too willing to pay ever increasing prices, perhaps we wouldn't be seeing the average 16% rise in the cost of season tickets that we are seeing in the Premier League this year.

Why would a business like city give out accurate details of their financial situation (which is what giving details of season ticket sales amounts to) to anyone? It is upto the club what information they want to put out to the public and not a matter of honesty.

The trusts campaign is far too late and totally unrealistic but I'll applaud them for flogging a dead horse.

 

[Doctor Foxster]

Three cheers for Mr Mandaric!

Where would we be without him?

 

[bocadillo]

Why would a business like city give out accurate details of their financial situation (which is what giving details of season ticket sales amounts to) to anyone? It is upto the club what information they want to put out to the public and not a matter of honesty.

Perhaps the question you should be asking yourself is why should a "business like city" be allowed to give out inaccurate information, particularly when that inaccurate information is designed to encourage people to 'invest' in the club. It is very much a matter of honesty.

 

[Real Sharapova]

Three cheers for Mr Mandaric!

Where would we be without him?

The Championship?

 

[Biffa Bacon]

Perhaps the question you should be asking yourself is why should a "business like city" be allowed to give out inaccurate information, particularly when that inaccurate information is designed to encourage people to 'invest' in the club. It is very much a matter of honesty.

No one has any proof that the club is not telling the truth, the speculation is that there are very low sales but that is all it is, speculation. I don't tell my customers how much we sell each year until I have to report it in the annual report, why would city do anything different?

 

[bocadillo]

No one has any proof that the club is not telling the truth, the speculation is that there are very low sales but that is all it is, speculation. I don't tell my customers how much we sell each year until I have to report it in the annual report, why would city do anything different?

But City have done something different - they have not waited until the annual report - they have made a mealy-mouthed statement in the hope of positively affecting season ticket sales. I see no reason why any interested party should not ask them to clarify the actual meaning of such a statement; and in the absence of clarification, call the statement to question.

 

[Matt_B]

No one has any proof that the club is not telling the truth, the speculation is that there are very low sales but that is all it is, speculation. I don't tell my customers how much we sell each year until I have to report it in the annual report, why would city do anything different?

No-one has any proof that MM picks the team or buys the players, yet it keeps getting banded about as reasons to get rid of him.

 

[Leesoh]

In fairness to the FT, my dad believes the stuff the club is saying about ST sales. When discussing the fact that the boards suggests the sales will be much lower, he sides with the club. Its important that someone digs deeper even if its so the non-messageboard user knows what is going on. I think everything the FT has said and done regarding this issue has been spot-on.

I don't doubt that ST ticket sales will be down, a point that the FT has failed to pick up on when trying to make me look stupid. My main problem is that they are telling us something we already know. As for digging around, it doesn't look like their sources are any different to those a number of posters on this and various other forums have.

Of course, if the Trust had campaigned for lower ST prices when they had the opportunity, instead of waiting until relegation was confirmed, then it would have been helpful. Given how long we've flirted with relegation, I would have thought some kind of contingency plan would have been in order, but apparently the Trust did not want to appear negative (or at least that's what was posted elsewhere). How naive of me to think that they would actually broach the subject in advance.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

But City have done something different - they have not waited until the annual report - they have made a mealy-mouthed statement in the hope of positively affecting season ticket sales. I see no reason why any interested party should not ask them to clarify the actual meaning of such a statement; and in the absence of clarification, call the statement to question.

The statement I have seen from the club about season ticket sales doesn't look mealy mouthed but maybe I'm looking at a different statement from the club? They should probably have not bothered making any statement at the moment because anything was going to be jumped on by the more hysterical contributors.

Facts are we will sell less season tickets this year, they will cost the quoted prices and people will moan about it.

The FT was on a commitee which met to discuss pricing in january/february this year and chose to wait until it was too late to do any real campaigning about the issue.

 

[bocadillo]

The statement I have seen from the club about season ticket sales doesn't look mealy mouthed but maybe I'm looking at a different statement from the club? They should probably have not bothered making any statement at the moment because anything was going to be jumped on by the more hysterical contributors.

Facts are we will sell less season tickets this year, they will cost the quoted prices and people will moan about it.

The FT was on a commitee which met to discuss pricing in january/february this year and chose to wait until it was too late to do any real campaigning about the issue.

Who are the "more hysterical contributors" of which you write? Your argument is not advanced by your use of offensive comment.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

Who are the "more hysterical contributors" of which you write? Your argument is not advanced by your use of offensive comment.

offensive, you really must get out more.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

The FT was on a commitee which met to discuss pricing in january/february this year and chose to wait until it was too late to do any real campaigning about the issue.

That committee did not discuss prices for League One football, it wasn't considered as an option by those running the club

 

[Biffa Bacon]

That committee did not discuss prices for League One football, it wasn't considered as an option by those running the club

So you were happy with an increase if we stayed in the championship but have now decided that prices must go down for league 1? You can usually bring up your own questions in a committe format, otherwise you may as well not have a committee, did you not think to ask them 'What if?'.

The fact is none of the similar sized clubs in our position (Leeds, Forest, Wendies etc.) have cut prices on relegation in recent years.