Save Our Birch Campaign

[PFKAKTF FOX]

It wasn't meant as sarcastic, sometimes posters expect us to have all the answers, we try our best but can't always get the information we want or be in a position to be able to reveal it

You stated in an earlier post that you could comment further, but chose not too until the originator revealed his source, why can you not just comment on the questions I asked you, if the club has nothing to hide why have you indirectly chosen not to answer each one, none of the questions I have asked are leading and neither are they designed to trick, I believe all are straight forward and answerable.

 

[Brauny Blue]

Its getting juicy:icon_roll

 

[Durham Fox]

I really don't want to jump on the Foxes Trusts back but you guys really need to get focused and start being pro active. From my point of view the club see you as a hinderance more than anything. The current board seem to have little respect for what you do and you seem to be the last to know anything!! You have a small (but larger than most) share holding in the club, try flexing your muscles a bit, challenge the club ney go against them sometimes. Way too diplomatic to be a voice of the supporters imo.

 

[Durham Fox]

You stated in an earlier post that you could comment further, but chose not too until the originator revealed his source, why can you not just comment on the questions I asked you, if the club has nothing to hide why have you indirectly chosen not to answer each one, none of the questions I have asked are leading and neither are they designed to trick, I believe all are straight forward and answerable.

Because a) They don't know or b) They can't say. My mortgage, car and life savings are on a!

 

[Foxes_Trust]

I am very disappointed by todays events, if the rumours are not true then why has the club allowed it to escalate to this extent, and then when the Trust are asked to provide answers to some pretty straight forward questions, all they can provide is sarcasm and yet more club spin, the club is further removed from its fans more now than ever, and if today is anything to go by, the club views it's fans with nothing but contempt.

It is supposedly 'our club' and yet they are happy to sit back and censor or place legal threats at the fans websites, official or unofficial, instead of making a public statement that would put an end to the speculation, if the Trust are to be believed.

Today has been a PR disaster and an embarrasment to the club, its management and the Trust, it is nothing short of amatuerish.

We have not been given any direction by the club on this, so no spin, we have just posted the direct reply we received to the question asked.

Until we examine what the club has said directly to the moderators we can't say whether their approach was sledge hammer to crack a nut or whether an over cautious approach is being taken relating to employee relations.

Remember they lost a case on a technicality with a certain Mr Wise, in different circumstances that would have been very costly, hence they may take a belt & braces approach now. Again the club hasn't said this, but its a possible interpretation.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

You stated in an earlier post that you could comment further, but chose not too until the originator revealed his source, why can you not just comment on the questions I asked you, if the club has nothing to hide why have you indirectly chosen not to answer each one, none of the questions I have asked are leading and neither are they designed to trick, I believe all are straight forward and answerable.

We were asked who we spoke to, but nobody seems bothered about the original source of these stories. Why aren't you challenging them?

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

We are going to review the information the moderators supply to us (assuming they are willing) & then decide on a course of action dependant on the line taken by the club.

Our intention is to discuss it with the club, using references to previous incidents at other clubs & advising them of best practice.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but feck using references to other clubs nor advising them of best practice, the time has come to take a stand and make the clubs powers that be, realise that they cannot continually shit on their paying customers, as they seem so intent on doing.

Today was a step too far, instead of issuing a statement to either confirm or deny the rumour, the club decided to go into defensive mode and issue threats of legal action unless websites towed the party line, WTF is going on what happened to maintaining lines of communication and dialogue, the board are isolating themselves from the fans (paying customers) and unless there is a drastic overhaul of club policy I can see dire financial consequences on the horizon.

As the Trust you have the opportunity and possibly some influence to try and change the way the current regime operate, yet you choose to sit side by side with the club and jointly show your distain to the thousands who support this club through thick and thin.

 

[Durham Fox]

We were asked who we spoke to, but nobody seems bothered about the original source of these stories. Why aren't you challenging them?

What has the original source got to do with it??

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

What has the original source got to do with it??

It appears that the club and the trust are adopting a very defensive attitude, how about the club come out and make a public statement backing the Birch especially if as the trust have been telling us that there is no truth in these rumours regarding the Birch's position, now that would be a novel idea, communicating with the fans !

 

[Boy Genius]

We are going to review the information the moderators supply to us (assuming they are willing) & then decide on a course of action dependant on the line taken by the club.

Our intention is to discuss it with the club, using references to previous incidents at other clubs & advising them of best practice.

I bet a lot of them will lose sleep over that, fecking hell.

I think a firm stand is needed here, and to tell the club fans on these sites are not happy and to get assurances it will never happen again. They are not BIG BROTHER. Censor their own site by all means, but leave ours alone. Do they trawl the pubs looking for people talking libel too....?

 

[Foxes_Trust]

I really don't want to jump on the Foxes Trusts back but you guys really need to get focused and start being pro active. From my point of view the club see you as a hinderance more than anything. The current board seem to have little respect for what you do and you seem to be the last to know anything!! You have a small (but larger than most) share holding in the club, try flexing your muscles a bit, challenge the club ney go against them sometimes. Way too diplomatic to be a voice of the supporters imo.

So what do you expect us to do in this situation then?

We questioned the club about the story today, we only gained brief information & didn't start firing 20 questions at them.

We all have full time jobs & that doesn't always mean we have time available to hold detailed discussions at a drop of a hat.

Think of any organisation, does those running an organisation contact all their shareholders everytime that hire/fire/promote somebody or indeed a rumour is around about a potential change?

Of course they don't, so why do you expect us to be aware in advance if changes are to be made.

If we aren't happy with the way the message boards have been handled today, we will challenge the club

 

[Durham Fox]

It appears that the club and the trust are adopting a very defensive attitude, how about the club come out and make a public statement backing the Birch especially if as the trust have been telling us that there is no truth in these rumours regarding the Birch's position, now that would be a novel idea, communicating with the fans !

Something has gone on and my money is on a backtrack from the club. That story today was very specific. Now all of a sudden Birch isn't going.

What do the Trust have to say about it?
What do the Trust have to say about the possible return of Paul Mace?
What do the Trust have to say about the arrival of this new £100k a year dynamo?
What do the Trust have to say?
Can you say anything without it going past Tim Davies?
Will you lose your corporate hospitality if you tell us the truth for a change??

 

[Durham Fox]

So what do you expect us to do in this situation then?

We questioned the club about the story today, we only gained brief information & didn't start firing 20 questions at them.

We all have full time jobs & that doesn't always mean we have time available to hold detailed discussions at a drop of a hat.

Think of any organisation, does those running an organisation contact all their shareholders everytime that hire/fire/promote somebody or indeed a rumour is around about a potential change?

Of course they don't, so why do you expect us to be aware in advance if changes are to be made.

If we aren't happy with the way the message boards have been handled today, we will challenge the club

I would expect major shareholders to be consulted if a round of redundancies effecting senior personnel was on the cards yes.

Martin George seems to have found out quite quickly....

 

[Foxes_Trust]

Because a) They don't know or b) They can't say. My mortgage, car and life savings are on a!

Have already stated it in an earlier post, but to be specific

Q1.2 & 3 - don't know
Q4 - we have asked for information from moderators & once we have facts in front of us we can decide how we will raise with the club

 

[Boy Genius]

Something has gone on and my money is on a backtrack from the club. That story today was very specific. Now all of a sudden Birch isn't going.

What do the Trust have to say about it?
What do the Trust have to say about the possible return of Paul Mace? What do the Trust have to say about the arrival of this new £100k a year dynamo?
What do the Trust have to say?
Can you say anything without it going past Tim Davies?
Will you lose you corporate hospitality is you tell us the truth for a change??

:icon_bigg :icon_bigg :icon_bigg Thats more the truth....

 

[Durham Fox]

So what do you expect us to do in this situation then?

We questioned the club about the story today, we only gained brief information & didn't start firing 20 questions at them.

We all have full time jobs & that doesn't always mean we have time available to hold detailed discussions at a drop of a hat.

Think of any organisation, does those running an organisation contact all their shareholders everytime that hire/fire/promote somebody or indeed a rumour is around about a potential change?

Of course they don't, so why do you expect us to be aware in advance if changes are to be made.

If we aren't happy with the way the message boards have been handled today, we will challenge the club

and lets be honest, although clearly a sensitive issue on here it's hardly the biggest problem highlighted today!!

 

[Boy Genius]

So what do you expect us to do in this situation then?

We questioned the club about the story today, we only gained brief information & didn't start firing 20 questions at them.

We all have full time jobs & that doesn't always mean we have time available to hold detailed discussions at a drop of a hat.

Think of any organisation, does those running an organisation contact all their shareholders everytime that hire/fire/promote somebody or indeed a rumour is around about a potential change?

Of course they don't, so why do you expect us to be aware in advance if changes are to be made.

If we aren't happy with the way the message boards have been handled today, we will challenge the club

Is that a "WE" as in the Trust is not happy,

or a "WE" the fans are not happy? A big difference there

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

Something has gone on and my money is on a backtrack from the club. That story today was very specific. Now all of a sudden Birch isn't going.

What do the Trust have to say about it?
What do the Trust have to say about the possible return of Paul Mace? What do the Trust have to say about the arrival of this new £100k a year dynamo?
What do the Trust have to say?
Can you say anything without it going past Tim Davies?
Will you lose you corporate hospitality is you tell us the truth for a change??

I agree, Duzza 110%, as you say the story was very specific and detailed and elements of that version of events were confirmed by other reliable sources, therefore I can only conclude that the club have backtracked, most likely due to the adverse reaction of possibly other staff members (players and management), although we cannot confirm whether that part was indeed true, and the supporters.

The club need to realise they cannot pull the wool over our eyes, we are not imbeciles, many of us are intelligent and have successful careers, we do understand the politics of the business world. IMO the club massively underestimated the depth of feeling for Alan Birchenall and are now frantically trying to retract a potentially damaging decision.

 

[Foxes_Trust]

[Duzza]Something has gone on and my money is on a backtrack from the club. That story today was very specific. Now all of a sudden Birch isn't going.

What do the Trust have to say about it?
- we obtain facts before making comments
What do the Trust have to say about the possible return of Paul Mace?
- we would totally oppose it, where have you got that from?
- he clearly didn't get fan involvement quote "if you ask the fans you will never get anything done" stated in the middle of a fans forum - consultation, forget it!
What do the Trust have to say about the arrival of this new £100k a year dynamo?
- we need to generate more revenue, something Mace clearly failed at, we hope the new person will deliver
Can you say anything without it going past Tim Davies?
- Yes, he has no power of veto on anything we say & for instance gets no advance warning of any press releases
Will you lose you corporate hospitality is you tell us the truth for a change??
- one day you will understand the importance of getting to know all the Directors & hence gaining an influential voice that stretches way beyond talking to one person at the club

 

[Durham Fox]

I agree, Duzza 110%, as you say the story was very specific and detailed and elements of that version of events were confirmed by other reliable sources, therefore I can only conclude that the club have backtracked, most likely due to the adverse reaction of possibly other staff members (players and management), although we cannot confirm whether that part was indeed true, and the supporters.

The club need to realise they cannot pull the wool over our eyes, we are not imbeciles, many of us are intelligent and have successful careers, we do understand the politics of the business world. IMO the club massively underestimated the depth of feeling for Alan Birchenall and are now frantically trying to retract a potentially damaging decision.

The whole thing stinks of mis-management, incompetance and back stabbing. I have backed this board before but they are now testing even their most loyal of supporters.

Can we get a definitive on this new appointment from the city?? Can the Foxes Trust give us her name without jeopardising a prawn sandwich??