Should he stay or should he go?

Should PEARSON go?

  • GO

    Votes: 8 7.2%

  • STAY

    Votes: 103 92.8%
  • Total voters
    111
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Matt_B said:
If things got worse and it looked like we were heading down then no. If we didn't make any obvious progress in one season then yes. To be honest, I am fed up of the constant up/down emotions surrounding the club and the fans and I'd sooner have a couple of seasons of stability. I appreciate this would strain the patience and pockets of the owners and is unlikely.
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Thanks.
 
May I ask another question of you boffins? It is an almost universally held truth that managers should be given time. Obviously, a few games are needed to settle, particularly if the manager takes over mid-season (One thinks of MON at Leicester!) but, does anyone have recent experience of a manager at a club for a couple of seasons for whom things suddenly clicked? I cannot think of an example, but am willing to accept that this is evidence of ignorance rather than history....
 
lazzer said:
A lot was made of the indiscipline within the squad under Sven and also his lack of leadership. When Pearson came back a lot of posters commented on the fact that he wouldn't stand for any previous failings. I don't know what the issue is with Mills but one would assume it was not
based on performance. Then we had the Beckford incident which could be perceived as
petulance or as most who attended described as exhaustion. Then we get comments from the
fans regarding Pearsons attitude towards his players and how many more players is he going to upset. The point is if he is to manage then he has to lead and if that means upsetting a few
players then so be it.
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I think IF there has been a falling out with Beckford at the end of the match on Saturday, it has nothing to do with his leadership of the club, but instead more to do with his reactions to the pressure he is under. I personally think a mountain has been made out of a molehill here, but if Beckford is mysteriously omitted from the team sheet, I'll be seriously concerned about Pearson's handling of the squad as he'll be cutting his nose off to spite his face.
 
The Old Fox said:
May I ask another question of you boffins? It is an almost universally held truth that managers should be given time. Obviously, a few games are needed to settle, particularly if the manager takes over mid-season (One thinks of MON at Leicester!) but, does anyone have recent experience of a manager at a club for a couple of seasons for whom things suddenly clicked? I cannot think of an example, but am willing to accept that this is evidence of ignorance rather than history....
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I don't think it's ever a case of changing one or two things and then suddenly you're a successful side. It seems to be a very gradual thing. I'd say it's much more common that a manager comes in and struggles to begin with before improving things, than just coming in and having an immediate effect.

There will be the occasional manager who comes in and changes a team's fortunes immediately (look at O'Neill at Sunderland this season!) and because of managers like this, every owner assumes they should be able to find one who can do the same when I would say that the majority of the time they're few and far between.
 
indierich06 said:
I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so bear with me...





I take it you're talking about Abe and Fernandes? Abe was homesick and wanted to move back to Japan to be with his family, Fernandes didn't want to play for us after Sven left and wanted his loan ended early. Would you rather we forced them to stay? Or maybe you're talking about Johnson? From what I know, he's been unavailable for selection ever since Pearson turned up and now he seems to be back at Man City.


LOL, JOKES.
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Devil's advocate again....Whilst I agree with you on the Fernandes loan termination, I don't necessarily agree with the reasons for Abe leaving. He may well have been homesick, but you're more likely to miss home if you are not playing regularly and when Pearson first arrived he was frozen out of the squad. I think he was one of the most under valued players at this club and I think we could and should have done a lot more to keep him.
 
The Old Fox said:
May I ask another question of you boffins? It is an almost universally held truth that managers should be given time. Obviously, a few games are needed to settle, particularly if the manager takes over mid-season (One thinks of MON at Leicester!) but, does anyone have recent experience of a manager at a club for a couple of seasons for whom things suddenly clicked? I cannot think of an example, but am willing to accept that this is evidence of ignorance rather than history....
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Mick McCarthy did pretty well at wolves, this season aside? Think that clicked?
 
The Old Fox said:
does anyone have recent experience of a manager at a club for a couple of seasons for whom things suddenly clicked? I cannot think of an example, but am willing to accept that this is evidence of ignorance rather than history....
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Greg Abbott at Carlisle.

He took over in November 2008 when Carlisle were 20th in League one. They continued to struggle that season and only avoided relegation on the last day of the season. Fans called for him to be sacked.

The next season was a slight improvement, finishing 14th, and losing the JPT final. Fans called for him to be sacked.

The next season was another slight improvement, finishing 12th and winning the JPT. Some fans were still calling for him to be sacked.

This season they're 6th and are playing with the kind of confidence and team spirit I've not seen since O'Neill's Leicester team. This has been achieved on one of the lowest budgets in the division, by picking up other teams' rejects, mainly on free transfers.

You could say it has been a gradual progression, but this season has been a significant improvement on last year.
 
I think a good current example is Nigel Clough at Derby. He has sensible owners who are intent on cutting costs and making them a sustainable going concern, and on the pitch he is overseeing steady, season-by-season improvement. I'd be quite happy for that kind of progress here so long as it was a part of some coherent plan.
 
indierich06 said:
I don't think it's ever a case of changing one or two things and then suddenly you're a successful side. It seems to be a very gradual thing. I'd say it's much more common that a manager comes in and struggles to begin with before improving things, than just coming in and having an immediate effect.

There will be the occasional manager who comes in and changes a team's fortunes immediately (look at O'Neill at Sunderland this season!) and because of managers like this, every owner assumes they should be able to find one who can do the same when I would say that the majority of the time they're few and far between.
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But then this supports Old Fox' argument that if we are still in this situation in November next season then what do we do? It will be obvious that there's no real progress whether it be drastic or gradual. If we are mid table (10th-12th) by November next season, I would fully expect Pearson to go and I would think it would be the right decision if this were the case. If we were hovering around the play offs, I would want him to stay, but I wouldn't be entirely satisfied with performance as a fan. I think we should be in the top 6 from the off next season provided we make some strong signings in positions that need addressing. If we go through another huge squad overhaul, I'm going to be quite angry.
 
I've no confidence that anyone who we could bring in to replace Pearson would do any better.

I don't buy either into this line that a bit of tinkering and we will be 'genuime promotion challengers' next season. The reality is that we have hovered in mid table all season and look miles off being a resilient and successful team.

There's far too much hype & over expectations at Leicester to make it anything but a very onerous job - and clearly Pearson is feeling the pressure of that. I think that he has to build a squad with a work ethic understanding that it will take hard work and commitment to achieve anything.....oh and also a big, powerful striker to replace Steve Howard so that we aren't reliant on mardy arses like Beckford and playing Nugent into the ground.
 
Redditch Fox said:
I've no confidence that anyone who we could bring in to replace Pearson would do any better.

I don't buy either into this line that a bit of tinkering and we will be 'genuime promotion challengers' next season. The reality is that we have hovered in mid table all season and look miles off being a resilient and successful team.

There's far too much hype & over expectations at Leicester to make it anything but a very onerous job - and clearly Pearson is feeling the pressure of that. I think that he has to build a squad with a work ethic understanding that it will take hard work and commitment to achieve anything.....oh and also a big, powerful striker to replace Steve Howard so that we aren't reliant on mardy arses like Beckford and playing Nugent into the ground.
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The division is so tight and evenly balanced on a game by game basis that no team is really that far away from challenging IMO. 3 more wins this season (instead of losing last minute) and we'd be in amongst it. Over the season that comes down to concentration and fitness, not ability of players.
 
I think it took the current Man Utd manager quite a while to make an impact. Pearson needs a fulls eason to see what he can achieve
 
Granite Fox said:
I think it took the current Man Utd manager quite a while to make an impact. Pearson needs a fulls eason to see what he can achieve
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True but the only difference was this was at the very top of the English game.
 
Beckford being exhausted is bollux. we always wait for Bamba to stroll up for the corners. It is about attitude. Maybe Beckford thought 'I am too tired to be useful and we would only get a draw', or whatever.

The point is he did not say to himself: 'Last chance, drag myself into the box. Maybe it will bounce in off my backside and we can salvage a point, because Foxes never quit!'

I suspect it is attitude that Pearson is upset about, and I agree with Pearson on this one, no matter how sporadicly talented the player might be.
 
Jeff said:
What has Pearson said about Beckford?
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I think it can be reasonably inferred from his comments at the end of the game that he was not best pleased with Beckford's lack of effort in the closing minute.
Based on some direct observation and also on reports -I would also say that Beckford plays when he feels like it. A couple of old stagers have picked up with the parallel with how Allan Clarke played for the club in the 1968/69 season. I'd go along with that. About the only time that Clarke put in a proper shift for the club was in the famous FA Cup semi final 1-0 victory against Liverpool at Hillsborough. Of course Clarke was considerably more effective in the 6 yards box than Beckord but that's another story. As I've said before I want to see Pearson sorting these situations - either transfer list this type of player or demonstrate that he can integrate them into the squad and motivate them. He should't be leaving players like Mills in limbo - does no good for anyone.
 
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