Survey Results - No Smoking Vote on Saturday

[Boy Genius]

1) they can be, i worked at Asda, i had a friend who worked in Burger King

2) the fact of not having choice, in away it's Discrimination. I didn't think it worked that well either, every half hour to an hour the pub emptying leaving a hand full of people for 10 minutes

3) some don't but most the places i go do, as they have good ventilation systems.

If you say there are alternative places for non smokers to go, then being the minority now surely smokers should find places they can smoke in peace, ie outside.
If you like a cigarette fine, but dont let the fumes make other peoples clothes and hair smell with the bi product of your "hobby".
Now I like a drink, the bi product of that being piss.... but do I make your hair and clothes stink of it? Now theres a thought

 

[Leesoh]

1) they can be, i worked at Asda, i had a friend who worked in Burger King

2) the fact of not having choice, in away it's Discrimination. I didn't think it worked that well either, every half hour to an hour the pub emptying leaving a hand full of people for 10 minutes

3) some don't but most the places i go do, as they have good ventilation systems.

1) Lucky you. Perhaps not everyone is that lucky.

2) You do have the choice. Non-smokers do not. If a non-smoker wishes to go to a pub at present they have to put up with your smoke. If smoking wasn't allowed in the pub, then the non-smoker can enjoy a drink without breathing in smoke, yet you still have the option of enjoying a ciggy, it's just that you'll have to go outside.

By the way, I didn't realise smokers had to smoke at the same time, or enter and leave premises together. I personally would enjoy that, 10 minutes where I can get to the bar and getted served quickly sounds good to me!

3) If you think no-smoking areas in pubs are so fantastic, perhaps you should share with us where it is you drink. I have only found one pub with a no-smoking area where I haven't been affected.

 

[lazzer]

the manor -little glen road 10 mins from you :icon_bigg

 

[Polar Bear]

Didn't think this thread was about pubs, thought it was about the open air space that is a football stadium and the growing intolerance of people towards anything that irritates them.

I'm very sensitive to strong perfume, to the extent that I can become nauseous and faint if I am unfortunate enough to be in an enclosed space with someone wearing certain types (no, I couldn't name them...). Far worse than any smoke as far as I'm concerned. My attitude is that it's something I'm unlucky with, it's something I have to put up with. It's a valid comparison, I believe there are parts of Switzerland where perfume is banned on public transport.

Why do people never complain about how their clothes stink from exhaust fumes and so on?

 

[Dunc]

Didn't think this thread was about pubs, thought it was about the open air space that is a football stadium and the growing intolerance of people towards anything that irritates them.

I'm very sensitive to strong perfume, to the extent that I can become nauseous and faint if I am unfortunate enough to be in an enclosed space with someone wearing certain types (no, I couldn't name them...). Far worse than any smoke as far as I'm concerned. My attitude is that it's something I'm unlucky with, it's something I have to put up with. It's a valid comparison, I believe there are parts of Switzerland where perfume is banned on public transport.

Why do people never complain about how their clothes stink from exhaust fumes and so on?

The point being that perfume isn't affecting your health. The counter being that is there actual proof that passive smoking causes illness?

I don't know the answer.

 

[Polar Bear]

If it makes me feel ill it is affecting my health. So are vehicle fumes, chemical emissions, microwaves and mobile phone radiation. But everyone picks on smoking cos it's an easy target. Don't want to have to stop using our cars, do we? Compare the amount of monoxide emitted by a cigarette and a car.

 

[leicester_til_i_die]

The point being that perfume isn't affecting your health. The counter being that is there actual proof that passive smoking causes illness?

I don't know the answer.

There is no no proof that it causes illness, it's all pretty much guess work at the end of the day.

I didn't realise smokers had to smoke at the same time, or enter and leave premises together.

A lot of smokers are social smokers (only smoking when they are out) so yes a lot of them will all go out at the same time.

If it makes me feel ill it is affecting my health. So are vehicle fumes, Compare the amount of monoxide emitted by a cigarette and a car.

It's on average like inhaling a pack of 20 in one go

 

[Leesoh]

the manor -little glen road 10 mins from you :icon_bigg

That's totally no-smoking, and a bloody good thing too! Although the food service can be terrible, but that's another thread....

 

[leicester_til_i_die]

1) 3) If you think no-smoking areas in pubs are so fantastic, perhaps you should share with us where it is you drink. I have only found one pub with a no-smoking area where I haven't been affected.

Forgot this as well, most weatherspoons pubs have a very good non smoking area's

 

[Leesoh]

A lot of smokers are social smokers (only smoking when they are out) so yes a lot of them will all go out at the same time.

So it isn't like these people really need the nicotine? Great stuff.

 

[leicester_til_i_die]

So it isn't like these people really need the nicotine? Great stuff.

your right when their not drinking

 

[Dunc]

If it makes me feel ill it is affecting my health. So are vehicle fumes, chemical emissions, microwaves and mobile phone radiation. But everyone picks on smoking cos it's an easy target. Don't want to have to stop using our cars, do we? Compare the amount of monoxide emitted by a cigarette and a car.

Yes but the argument is that the perfume isn't going to cause long term life threatening disease is it? I don't think they banned smoking because it made a few MP's a bit woozy at the bar in the Commons.

And I'm guessing that there's not that many people that go around sucking the exhausts of cars and inhaling enough directly or indirectly to cause other death inducing illnesses either, and to do so would be their choice.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but its not the monoxide that kills the passive smokers?! So comparing that is like saying compare the amount of greenhouse gases emiited in comparison to cigarettes.

 

[Polar Bear]

I said before, I'm not talking about banning smoking in enclosed spaces, which is a reasonable public health measure that I have absolutely no problem with.

I'm talking more generally about attitudes and intolerance, and specifically about preventing people lighting up at half time in an open space, which seems like extremely petty nonsense that will ruin the pleasure of a small number of individuals for the sake of what would actually be a negligible gain for the majority.

Oh, but they are weak foolish individuals who don't deserve to have their feelings considered because their vile disgusting habit is so sickening... that's the subtext I get (not from any individuals, I hasten to add - I enjoy the debate) regarding this. I can't stand intolerance, it's much worse than smoking. Isn't it?

 

[Dunc]

I said before, I'm not talking about banning smoking in enclosed spaces, which is a reasonable public health measure that I have absolutely no problem with.

I'm talking more generally about attitudes and intolerance, and specifically about preventing people lighting up at half time in an open space, which seems like extremely petty nonsense that will ruin the pleasure of a small number of individuals for the sake of what would actually be a negligible gain for the majority.

Oh, but they are weak foolish individuals who don't deserve to have their feelings considered because their vile disgusting habit is so sickening... that's the subtext I get (not from any individuals, I hasten to add - I enjoy the debate) regarding this. I can't stand intolerance, it's much worse than smoking. Isn't it?

I agree with you and I should think that any ban at the ground shouldn't be blanket, instead in each block allow smoking at the bottom of the steps prior and at half time at pitch level so its in the open as much as possible

 

[Durham Fox]

If a ban is voted in, it will be a blanket ban. The rules they have on smoking currently are too hard to enforce.

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

if theyre going to ban it ban it everywhere and be done with it

 

[highland fox]

If a ban is voted in, it will be a blanket ban.

Thats just wrong it gets cold down there people have a right to use insulation,will it extend as far as Travel Rugs ?

 

[lazzer]

as an ex smoker i can see both sides of the coin...........smokers want a fag when they are having a pint and cant combine the two at the moment.due to no extraction system non smokers dont want a pea souper on the concourse at half time.my solution barriers outside certain gates at half time then open the gates this can be policed by the stewards who now currently employed to walk round asking people to put fags out.

 

[Durham Fox]

Thats just wrong it gets cold down there people have a right to use insulation,will it extend as far as Travel Rugs ?

A blanket bans a blanket ban HF

 

[Dunc]

as an ex smoker i can see both sides of the coin...........smokers want a fag when they are having a pint and cant combine the two at the moment.due to no extraction system non smokers dont want a pea souper on the concourse at half time.my solution barriers outside certain gates at half time then open the gates this can be policed by the stewards who now currently employed to walk round asking people to put fags out.

Same idea as mine, just yours is outside the ground so to speak mine is at pitch level.

I don't see the problem with that, although I'm sure some namby pamby asthma sufferer sitting in row a that never moves at halftime in the 85yrs he's supported the club will complain.