fitz
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Straight from the Beagle's hole
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Straight from the Beagle's hole
FryattFox
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Rodgers joined us in February 2019, when we were 12th in the league.
Can you please provide one objective metric whereby he has underachieved since that date? Just one.
For comparison, regardless of whether one thinks he is the best person to lead us into the next season or not, it's pretty easy to generate a number of objective metrics that he's overachieved on:
- Finishing 5th in 2019/20 despite having a lower wage bill and less expensive squad than at least six other teams in the league.
- Finishing 5th in 2020/21 despite having a lower wage bill and less expensive squad than at least six other teams in the league.
- First ever FA Cup win.
- First ever (proper) Charity Shield win.
- First ever European semi-final.
- Highest ever win percentage of any Leicester manager competing in the top division.
Brown Nose
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Blah, blah. Beaglehole is just covering his own arse in the way he did throughout his time at the club. He was a good development coach ten years ago but he was terrible in his last few years here. Quite rightly, he was ditched a year ago.
Bassey left because he didn't see a 'pathway' here. He was poorly managed by BR and Beaglehole. It's nonsensical to claim that he gave the club such an ultimatum. We said similar about Tavares when we lost him too and that was also bollocks.
The reality is that when you accumulate a massive first team squad, young players are going to think 'am I really going to get a chance here?'. The main reason I want to see a mass exodus of the garbage is to give the likes of Braybrooke and Alves and Nelson and Odunze etc. some hope of breaking through.
We need to return to the sort of squad size that allowed the likes of Barnes and Chilwell to come through.
popillius
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popillius
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Let's see how well Bassey does in a proper league at a proper club before deciding that we made a mistake letting him go.
We've had this discussion so many times about young players when they've left us and there are virtually no examples where the names that left then went on to become top players who would have improved us.
We've had this discussion so many times about young players when they've left us and there are virtually no examples where the names that left then went on to become top players who would have improved us.
tedfoxxx
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Ahem Tomi Petrescu ahem
Luke Thomas made his first team debut a few weeks after Bassey left. KDH made his first team debut a few months before Bassey left.
So there's the 'pathway'.
parafox
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Almost every club is put in a situation where a promising player ends up leaving and doing well - just look at Djed Spence at Middlesbrough for example. They can go on to do well or end up with a career in the Turkish 2nd division. We don't have a crystal ball to predict that someone will become the next Heskey or Barnes. It's also possible that the same kind of development is only possible elsewhere and if they had stayed they would be contributing **** all to the team until they leave for Portsmouth when they're 26. It's not worth losing any sleep over.
With that aside, I'd still like to see an increase in the quality of our academy and to see more players good enough to break through to the first team or at least sell for a tidy profit. I'm excited to see what happens with the new training ground and the prospects it could attract so if we can stay around the top half of the premier league for the next 5-10 years we may see that investment begin to pay off.
With that aside, I'd still like to see an increase in the quality of our academy and to see more players good enough to break through to the first team or at least sell for a tidy profit. I'm excited to see what happens with the new training ground and the prospects it could attract so if we can stay around the top half of the premier league for the next 5-10 years we may see that investment begin to pay off.
Fox Fan
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I'd imagine BR's refusal to play any of the u23s last season despite an ongoing injury crisis might have an impact on how they veiw that pathway.
If we don't have a CB better than Vestergard then we should close the youth set up all together.
Biffa Bacon
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The club followed a policy of trying to emulate Man City by having 2 players in every position of similar quality but without the cash to follow through, this has left a competitive 1st team and a bloated overpaid 2nd team which isn't up to the job. If lucky this season, no significant injuries will mean that top 6-8 is in reach, if unlucky the bottom half awaits.
Brunt, Alves, McAteer and Marcal-Madivadua all made their first team debuts last season.
The season before that, Daley-Campbell, Leshabela and Tavares made their debuts.
If they'd been good enough, they'd have played a lot more than they did.
Despite all the hype about Tavares, he played a total of 423 minutes for Porto's B team last season. He might have been better off staying with us and going out on loan to a League One club. But sometimes players think the grass is greener at another side.
I agree that towards the end of the season there should have been more kids on the bench, so there was at least the opportunity to give them some game time, but more young players have come through our academy in recent years than they have previously. If they are good enough, they get a chance under BR.
Brown Nose
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Who cares how he does next? Someone is paying £20m+ for him and we let him go two years ago for peanuts.
We didn't "let him go". He decided to leave. Are we supposed to chain players up until they sign a new contract? Maybe we should try that with Tielemans.
popillius
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We didn't. He decided to leave. It's not difficult to understand.
Miles Away
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Players like Luke Thomas or KDH…
SilverFox
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Foreplay is really important to me so the jury is out.
He has underachieved. Yes he has had some good success in winning the FA cup. I don’t dispute that, but we had the team in place to achieve. It double underlines how badly he ****ed up what should’ve been an unassailable 4th place finish 2 seasons in a row. I think another manager wouldn’t have fluffed his lines so badly.
I also see he was getting in his excuses yesterday. Words to the effect of ‘we can’t sell the duffers so we aren’t getting the shake up I wanted’… like he didn’t sign the duffers to begin with or mess up two gilt edged chances to make considerable CL money.
He’s not an elite manager yet he is on elite manager money. Fair play to him. I wish I was a talented con artist.
popillius
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Another manager may not have got us anywhere near close enough.
pork pie fox
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Jeez, roll on the season starting. Enjoy your holidays people.
bocadillo
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You wouldn't be saying that if you lived in a metal tube, desperately trying to find some shade. And people worry that we might be cold in winter!
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