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Jeff said:
They manage it OK in other sports, why should football be different?
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Exactly, we should follow Rugby's example. Only the captains are able to speak to the ref's, and any backchat from any players and the Penalty moves further back. This happens REGARDLESS of whether the players think its the right decision or not.
 
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Was chatting about this at work today with a lad that knows a ref on the sunday district league panel. They have told their refs that they do not tell the players why they have made a decision. This only increases the problem, in rugby if a team(s) are consistently doing something he calls the captains over and tells them why he keeps giving decisions against them. Whether they agree with what he is saying or not at that point is irrelevent as at least they know where they stand. If a footballer cannot say what was that given for? How can he stop doing it?
 
City Fan said:
Exactly, we should follow Rugby's example. Only the captains are able to speak to the ref's, and any backchat from any players and the Penalty moves further back. This happens REGARDLESS of whether the players think its the right decision or not.
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I agree and read something recently about giving it a trial somewhere.

They did test the 10 yard rule a few years ago but it faded into oblivion....alas
 
bocadillo said:
People, refs included, tend to get the respect they deserve. It's pretty clear to me that this bloke deserved none at all.
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Respect!!! there is no respect and it fecks me off. I worked with Tony Green who was a premier lge linesman, and i once said to him ' how do you put up with the abuse from the players? He replied by saying that 'they can call me what they want so long as they dont call me a cheat'
I think thats sad. Why should the officials stand for this aggressive ott abuse from players who behave like spoilt brats. They strut around the pitch like the celebrity ' big i am ' twats that they are.They dont have respect.
Managers are no better, constantly moaning about this and that and hardly ever taking a defeat with grace.
It often makes me wonder how the Roy Keanes of this world can preech discipline to his players when he was one of the biggest cnuts of them all.
Something needs to be done about the abuse, and whilst i'm on a rant i'll add spitting to the topic as well. Imo there is little or no need for it, yet it as become the norm for players to disgustingly deposit large volumes of flem all over the pitch. What a bloody example to set to the kids who play on the park:icon_conf
 
Brauny Blue said:
spitting. Imo there is little or no need for it, yet it as become the norm for players to disgustingly deposit large volumes of flem all over the pitch.
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and then roll in it when celebrating their goals? stupid feckers.
 
If players reacted better at the highest level, it would in the end go down through all the levels, as they would set an example to the kids growing up. If John terry tries to steel the refs card or roooney stamps his feet and swears when a decision goes against him, kids will do it too.

I can understand players get frustrated, but it should be left to the captian to speak to the ref, no one else.
 
teblin said:
If players reacted better at the highest level, it would in the end go down through all the levels, as they would set an example to the kids growing up. If John terry tries to steel the refs card or roooney stamps his feet and swears when a decision goes against him, kids will do it too.

I can understand players get frustrated, but it should be left to the captian to speak to the ref, no one else.
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Currently no one is allowed to speak to the ref, the fact that someone is captain means nothing.
 
Whilst the FA continues to show large amounts of disrespect for the leagues below the premiership, refereeing standards will not improve. If a ref is not good enough for the premiership he should not be "punished" by making him ref in the championship. We play to the same rules, so by making us suffer their rejects is massively disrespectful. If they aren't good enough they should be removed from the league register altogether
 
Lboro fox said:
Whether they agree with what he is saying or not at that point is irrelevent as at least they know where they stand. If a footballer cannot say what was that given for? How can he stop doing it?
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Agreed. When I played Rugby, when you commited a foul, you were told of your mistake and you avoided doing it again. Football allow you complain and get a struggle of the shoulders, tell me what the foul was and I won't repeat it.

The probelm is IMO that fouling in Rugby is a bit more clean-cut with it's definitions in the Rule Book. Football however seems to have referees which interpret and judge the rule book in different states.
 
Hazzman said:
Agreed. When I played Rugby, when you commited a foul, you were told of your mistake and you avoided doing it again. Football allow you complain and get a struggle of the shoulders, tell me what the foul was and I won't repeat it.

The probelm is IMO that fouling in Rugby is a bit more clean-cut with it's definitions in the Rule Book. Football however seems to have referees which interpret and judge the rule book in different states.
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Plus they twist and change rules from one season to the next. I can't remember a summer when there have been no rule changes since the prem started
 
Hazzman said:
Agreed. When I played Rugby, when you commited a foul, you were told of your mistake and you avoided doing it again. Football allow you complain and get a struggle of the shoulders, tell me what the foul was and I won't repeat it.

The probelm is IMO that fouling in Rugby is a bit more clean-cut with it's definitions in the Rule Book. Football however seems to have referees which interpret and judge the rule book in different states.
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Its the same in rugby really, some ref's are more picky than others, but at least they communicate their thoughts. In rugby, most teams know they have to play to the ref if he lets things go, there's no point complaining about niggles. Likewise if he is picky, then the team knows it and has to sort itself out. Much less games are ruined as a result of this difference in culture.
 
Why are you comparing football to rugby ?

It's played by wankers, reffed by even bigger wankers, and watched by feckin' great enormous wankers

There is no comparison
 
Lboro fox said:
Its the same in rugby really, some ref's are more picky than others, but at least they communicate their thoughts. In rugby, most teams know they have to play to the ref if he lets things go, there's no point complaining about niggles. Likewise if he is picky, then the team knows it and has to sort itself out. Much less games are ruined as a result of this difference in culture.
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Having played rugby to a reasonably high level (unfortunately before the professional era) and been a rugby ref for 6 months whilst recovering from an injury I have seen it from both sides, generally in rugby there are a huge amount of things you can stop the game for but you can overlook a lot as general rough and tumble so you have to explain why you stopped the game, footbal is different because the level of tolerance is much lower so the foul play should be obvious and it is easier to miss some of it. Football referees have made it hard for themselves because they allow an amount of social conduct with the players (ie. using names rather than numbers etc.) and have been shown to favour the mouthy or big teams in lots of instances.
 
homer said:
Why are you comparing football to rugby ?

It's played by wankers, reffed by even bigger wankers, and watched by feckin' great enormous wankers

There is no comparison
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So your saying rugby is good for your wrists?
 
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