What Did The Postie Bring?

[Durham Fox]

Not at all. But I do think people should realise when they are fighting a losing battle.

You want to be submissive to Mrs T? :icon_conf

 

[homer]

Not at all. But I do think people should realise when they are fighting a losing battle.

As a certain Prime Minister once said "You may have to fight a battle more than once to win"

 

[Macky]

Oh dear - mock outrage. What does that add to the discussion?

It demonstrates that trade unionists aren't evil communists determined to bring down the nation.

Do you think that the CWU are acting in the interests of their members in a contracting workplace?

I don't know whose interest they are working for if they aren't.

Can you think of any instances, even in hindsight, where unions acted against the interests of their members?

No, I can't.

 

[bocadillo]

Can you think of any instances, even in hindsight, where unions acted against the interests of their members?

No, I can't.

QED

You really make it too easy.

 

[bocadillo]

You want to be submissive to Mrs T? :icon_conf

YEUK!!

 

[Macky]

QED

You really make it too easy.

Sorry Bob, but I really don't know what you've demonstrated there.

How does me not being able to think of an instance where unions have acted against the interests of its members support your argument that they do?

 

[bocadillo]

Sorry Bob, but I really don't know what you've demonstrated there.

How does me not being able to think of an instance where unions have acted against the interests of its members support your argument that they do?

It demonstrates that you believe the unions to be infallible in this regard. Most commentators would agree, particularly with the use of hindsight (which I offered to you), that union action has not always been wholly to the advantage of or in the interests of it members. Your belief in the infallibility of the unions, whilst not disqualifying your arguments, does make them more open to question.

I believe that a good union is one that works in the interests of its members and not necessarily in the maintenance of the status quo. I believe the CWU have got it wrong and should be working more closely with the Royal Mail to modernise the business in a newly-competitive industry - thereby preserving as many of their members' jobs as possible. Instead they just seem to want to obstruct progress - a course of action which I do not believe is in anybody's interests.

 

[Macky]

It demonstrates that you believe the unions to be infallible in this regard.

No it doesn't, but your response does demonstrate that you are presumptuous though. :icon_wink

Most commentators would agree, particularly with the use of hindsight (which I offered to you), that union action has not always been wholly to the advantage of or in the interests of it members.

Of course it hasn't always been entirely altruistic, but you asked me if I could think of an instance of this and I couldn't. I just answered your question truthfully.

Your belief in the infallibility of the unions, whilst not disqualifying your arguments, does make them more open to question.

Stop keep saying that!

 

[Babylon]

If I don't get my Twang tickets in time my postman will get a severe beating the next time I see the coont.

 

[Brown Nose]

It demonstrates that you believe the unions to be infallible in this regard. Most commentators would agree, particularly with the use of hindsight (which I offered to you), that union action has not always been wholly to the advantage of or in the interests of it members. Your belief in the infallibility of the unions, whilst not disqualifying your arguments, does make them more open to question.

I believe that a good union is one that works in the interests of its members and not necessarily in the maintenance of the status quo. I believe the CWU have got it wrong and should be working more closely with the Royal Mail to modernise the business in a newly-competitive industry - thereby preserving as many of their members' jobs as possible. Instead they just seem to want to obstruct progress - a course of action which I do not believe is in anybody's interests.

Well said Boc. Too many Unions (including my own) will defend the status quo against the long term interests of members. For example, about 15 years ago, members of my Union went out on strike discontinuously for months in protest at introducing computers to the workplace! Absolutely mental. They should have been representing their members interests by getting them the best computer training possible etc.

I believe the current dispute with Royal Mail is stuck along similar lines. They have agreed in principle an acceptable pay deal. Management simply want to remove outdated rules whereby postal workers get paid for hours that they don't actually work (not sickness/leave related). I have no sympathy for them whatsoever in this element of the dispute and if they end up losing their jobs as a result of competitors taking advantage of their weakness, it's entirely the fault of their Union.

 

[spionfox]

Me neither, shes claims it time of the month, ive offered to use the dirt track…….

sick :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

Tight

 

[alex]

To answer the thread - **** all for ages because they're lazy twats.

 

[beaumontfox]

Other people - some of them probably from eastern Europe, in a similar fashion to the way that they have moved into other employments where workers have over-priced themselves.




Many would say that a 2.5% rise is a decent deal - many will be getting less.

The CWU are asking for the postal workers to be brought up to the national average wage. When will people realise that somebody has to be paid below the average for such an average even to exist?

That'll be me then!

The way the minimum wage is rising compared to my own meagre payrise each year, in a couple of years I'll actually be better off working a job which pays minimum wage than the one I do now!

 

[SJN-Fox]

Scargill, miners, anyone?

 

[fitz]

That'll be me then!

The way the minimum wage is rising compared to my own meagre payrise each year, in a couple of years I'll actually be better off working a job which pays minimum wage than the one I do now!

certain people where i work will not be getting a pay rise at the end of the year due to TUPE laws, poor feckers won't dare go on strike though. if they made all postal workers take an average job in the north east they'd appreciate their pay i'm sure

 

[OldGit]

certain people where i work will not be getting a pay rise at the end of the year due to TUPE laws, poor feckers won't dare go on strike though. if they made all postal workers take an average job in the north east they'd appreciate their pay i'm sure

TUPE ensures people transferred from one employer to another continue to receive at least as good terms and conditions after the transfer. Sounds like someone is telling them porkies to me.

 

[Biff]

Scargill, miners, anyone?

the miners back then could bring the country to its knees with a strike,and did so a few times, before maggie had had enough and fought them head on, and the rest is history.i was down the pit during that era,and although im labour through and through, i look back and agree that the NUM had too much power,and it was the right thing.she did me a favour, i fecked off to the states and never looked back.

as for the postal union,i think they will lose out on this one.the royal mail is losing money on every letter that it delivers.you cant get blood out of a stone.

i have a couple of mates who are posties,they say works a 'doddle'.they can get away early if they finnish,and they get golfing most afternoons.

 

[Jeff]

the miners back then could bring the country to its knees with a strike,and did so a few times, before maggie had had enough and fought them head on, and the rest is history.i was down the pit during that era,and although im labour through and through, i look back and agree that the NUM had too much power,and it was the right thing.she did me a favour, i fecked off to the states and never looked back.

But Maggie ****ed up an entire industry, she abused her power more than the miners did.

If we hadn't closed so many mines we wouldn't rely on oil so much and may not have been drawn into wars in the middle east.

 

[Biff]

But Maggie ****ed up an entire industry, she abused her power more than the miners did.

If we hadn't closed so many mines we wouldn't rely on oil so much and may not have been drawn into wars in the middle east.

you could debate the pro's and cons on this for weeks.it would need a thread of its own.

i was trying to compare the strengths of unions these days, to back then.

as for relying on oil,i bought alot of shares in a little company called 'dragon oil' many years ago for 25p a share.it is now £2.80.theres allways a silver linning :icon_wink

 

[The_Lane]

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