Brexit

[Matt_B]

Good post from DG, I too am baffled by how Boris is popular and it must be that the Brexity types see him as a catalyst for change

Dark times are ahead and my hope is that in the dark and with demographic changes, a poorer Britain sees the EU as a positive and, once again, goes cap in hand to join, hopefully this time we won't go bankrupt again and get bailed out by the IMF

Maybe electoral reform will happen, I actually hope Labour lose again to seriously consider PR, but the way they are messing things up, Starmer might actually win, even though he's dull AF and won't mention Brexit obviously being shite

Johnson is popular for the same reason Farage is. His idiotic bluster, the fact he just says what he thinks and it's often inappropriate means he's "a man of the people". Nevermind his millions and the fact he couldn't give a shit about us oiks, he says the kind of bigoted nonsense that, unfortunately, large parts of the population think but daren't say.

 

[Blue Maniac]

Johnson is popular for the same reason Farage is. His idiotic bluster, the fact he just says what he thinks and it's often inappropriate means he's "a man of the people".

Like the previous president of the lawless apocalyptic third-world hellscape across the pond, they sound intelligent to thick people, and there are a lot of thick people.

 

[fox58]

The reason Johnson got elected is there was no viable opposition and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change any time soon

 

[M17TT C]

The reason Johnson got elected is there was no viable opposition and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change any time soon

This is such a lazy, and nonsense point of view.

There are plenty of alternatives to the Tories and their crooked contract awarding to their mates, tax breaks for the wealth, tax increases for the less well off whilst privitising profits and bringing more debt on to the tax paying public.

Cost of living skyrocketing under this government all down to their own policies.

The Monster Raving Looney Party are a more credible alternative to this cultist bunch we have at the moment.

 

[Hector]

Number crunch:

Percentage of votes cast in favour of remaining in EU, in 2016: 48
Result: Britain left the EU

Percentage of votes cast for Boris Johnson's Conservatives in 2019: 43
Result: Boris Johnson's Conservatives win a massive 80 seat majority.

 

[Matt_B]

The reason Johnson got elected is there was no viable opposition and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change any time soon

Nonsense. There were plenty of options, people chose this shit show. Your excuse is just a way for them to shirk any responsibility for the shit we're being served up.

 

[Matt_B]

The reason Johnson got elected is there was no viable opposition and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change any time soon

And let's not forget, if you listen to oldie-wonks describe how much better life was when everyone looked after each other and nobody robbed or killed and cats never chased mice etc, they are describing a largely socialist society (ignoring the fact it was never as halcyon as they say). But give them the option to vote socialist and they run a mile because it's been poisoned as a word by politicians and the media.

 

[fox58]

The point I was trying to make, Corbyn divided the Labour party and those divisions still exist, if you look at the 2016 & 2019 elections the Tory vote overall went up by around 300,000 votes.TheLabour vote went down by about 2.6M. not a massive swing to the tortes but a move away from Labour. Wherever those vote went it allowed the tortes to gain their majority

 

[Matt_B]

The point I was trying to make, Corbyn divided the Labour party and those divisions still exist, if you look at the 2016 & 2019 elections the Tory vote overall went up by around 300,000 votes.TheLabour vote went down by about 2.6M. not a massive swing to the tortes but a move away from Labour. Wherever those vote went it allowed the tortes to gain their majority

Yeah but that doesn't mean there wasn't an alternative. If everyone who used the excuse that there wasn't one had voted Labour, they'd have won.

 

[Brown Nose]

The point I was trying to make, Corbyn divided the Labour party and those divisions still exist, if you look at the 2016 & 2019 elections the Tory vote overall went up by around 300,000 votes.TheLabour vote went down by about 2.6M. not a massive swing to the tortes but a move away from Labour. Wherever those vote went it allowed the tortes to gain their majority

I'd vote for cake.

 

[Matt_B]

I'd vote for cake.

Most of the British public would if the cake promised them that there's be no more biscuits taking their cake crumbs.

 

[M17TT C]

I'd vote for cake.

 

[fox58]

Yeah but that doesn't mean there wasn't an alternative. If everyone who used the excuse that there wasn't one had voted Labour, they'd have won.

But would they? the 2.6M lost votes, voted for Labour in 2016 and they still lost

 

[Matt_B]

But would they? the 2.6M lost votes, voted for Labour in 2016 and they still lost

We'll never know, but it's a nonsense excuse. A bit like people not voting for the Lib Dems because "they'll never win".

 

[Brown Nose]

 

[camberwell fox]

We'll never know, but it's a nonsense excuse. A bit like people not voting for the Lib Dems because "they'll never win".

Well it’s not a ridiculous argument is it. History is the judge of these things. When was the last Liberal/Democrat election victory?

 

[Matt_B]

Well it’s not a ridiculous argument is it. History is the judge of these things. When was the last Liberal/Democrat election victory?

But if everybody who didn't vote because they thought they wouldn't win actually voted for them, they'd have a better chance and it would reduce votes for the others. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[give_us_a_wave]

How would PR work in a mayoral election?

It's already used. Thats why they're trying to change it. Supplementary vote.

Supplementary Vote

The Supplementary Vote (SV) was used for electing Mayors and Police and Crime Commissioners in the UK.It part of a broad group of ‘preferential’ voting systems, whic

www.electoral-reform.org.uk

 

[bocadillo]

It's already used. Thats why they're trying to change it. Supplementary vote.

Supplementary Vote

The Supplementary Vote (SV) was used for electing Mayors and Police and Crime Commissioners in the UK.It part of a broad group of ‘preferential’ voting systems, whic

www.electoral-reform.org.uk

The 'Supplementary Vote' is not PR or anything like PR.

 

[Blue Maniac]

The 'Supplementary Vote' is not PR or anything like PR.

Not even close. Wat