Get off RK's back.

[Steven]

gotta be before jan tho if you want the new manager to bring his own players in, why let an outgoing manager have a transfer window?

Still here in January.

 

[SJN-Fox]

gotta be before jan tho if you want the new manager to bring his own players in, why let an outgoing manager have a transfer window?

Because he can hold the fort until the end of the season. Whatever happens with the takeover, there will be little or no transfer kitty for January, so any deals done will just be loans, RL said today that we can sign loan players until the end of the 1st week in Feb. That will give us a chance to play out the rest of the season, avoid relegation and then clear the way for a new manager to come in for pre-season and look at building a team capable of challenging for promotion next year.

 

[Redditch Fox]

Because he can hold the fort until the end of the season. Whatever happens with the takeover, there will be little or no transfer kitty for January, so any deals done will just be loans, RL said today that we can sign loan players until the end of the 1st week in Feb. That will give us a chance to play out the rest of the season, avoid relegation and then clear the way for a new manager to come in for pre-season and look at building a team capable of challenging for promotion next year.

It was my assumption too that RK might as well be retained until the end of the season. Unfortunately i think a couple more bad results and we are approaching a Levein type situation when action needs to be be taken because the risk of relegation is so great.

There is also the demoralisation factor of continuing with a manager when it is widely recognised that he isn't right for the job.

 

[SJN-Fox]

Unfortunately i think a couple more bad results and we are approaching a Levein type situation when action needs to be be taken because the risk of relegation is so great.

And I think that looking at the teams that we have coming up, those defeats may well come sooner, rather than later. I don't see us getting too many points from Birmingham, Colchester, or Cardiff. (Forget Fulham, we're not in a position to be messing around with cup competitions)

 

[RN Fox]

And I think that looking at the teams that we have coming up, those defeats may well come sooner, rather than later. I don't see us getting too many points from Birmingham, Colchester, or Cardiff. (Forget Fulham, we're not in a position to be messing around with cup competitions)

The problem as I see it is that we are becoming a very predictable side, everyone knows what formation and style we will play.

We have three decent centre back Kisnorbo, Macauley and Johansen, the last time we had three decent centre backs was in O'neills era (Walsh, Taggert & Elliott) when we played with wingbacks. Why not, for a change, play with 3 centre backs, 2 wingbacks and see how the opposition cope with that. Play to our strengths instead of worrying about others - IMO it's got to be worth a go.

 

[SJN-Fox]

Why not, for a change, play with 3 centre backs, 2 wingbacks and see how the opposition cope with that. Play to our strengths instead of worrying about others - IMO it's got to be worth a go.

The problem I see with that, is that no-one seems to want to stay out wide, yesterday the whole of the midfield was trying to play through the centre circle. That's how Sunderland managed to create so many chances, they had all the room they wanted out on the flanks with nobody there to close them down.

 

[fosseman]

The problem I see with that, is that no-one seems to want to stay out wide, yesterday the whole of the midfield was trying to play through the centre circle. That's how Sunderland managed to create so many chances, they had all the room they wanted out on the flanks with nobody there to close them down.

I agree. The awful thing was that RK did not do anything to sort out the problem. However, whatever the tactics, our lads did not look interested. That's the real disappointment.

 

[leicester_til_i_die]

I agree with the 3-5-2, means we can have a battler (tiatto), play maker (Williams) and attacking midfielder (hughes, weso, maybe hume) to link the mid to attack. The only problem i can see with 3-5-2 is decent wing backs, stearman (if he stays) would make a decent one for the right, but not sure about left.

the wingers were having to come in to get the ball as we were struggling to win it in the centre. i was disgusted by the lack of commitment by nearly everyone who played. I hate losing, but if we go down with a fight i can cope but when we go down like we did against sunderland, it's disgracful

 

[stevewalshwasgod]

and what was Kenton doing he kept going into the center?

 

[SJN-Fox]

I agree. The awful thing was that RK did not do anything to sort out the problem. However, whatever the tactics, our lads did not look interested. That's the real disappointment.

OK, how's this for a theory,
CoG, Kenton, Weso, Paddy M, Fryatt, not played a full game for a while, so lacking the sharpness you would expect, no reserves league this year (money again??), so nowhere for them to get fit/sharp/motivated apart from second half subs spots playing 20 mins.

Henderson, he's a class act anyway, but so is Logan so he knows he's only one bad game from losing his spot.

Stearman, got his Villa shirt on already so no motivation there.

Caddy, well, not played for months so can't expect too much anyway but at least he looked interested when he came on.

As for the rest of them, perhaps feeling the effects of a busy Christmas period.

Too many changes made in one go so no-one's had the opportunity to strrike up any sort of partnership, and a midfield that's pretty woefull at the best of times.

So perhaps we ought to get the reserve matches back again, playing in the reserves in front of 400 people surely has to make you want to fight to get/keep your first team spot, and a manager that can put some nouse and creativity back into the midfiled.

(Answers on the back of a £5 note please)

 

[Melton Fox]

As for the rest of them,

You've only left 3 of them

 

[Hazzman]

So perhaps we ought to get the reserve matches back again, playing in the reserves in front of 400 people surely has to make you want to fight to get/keep your first team spot, and a manager that can put some nouse and creativity back into the midfiled.

(Answers on the back of a £5 note please)

The reserve probelm is no fault of City's. The FA Premier League decided on a change of teams in the reserve leagues, if you are out of the PL for so many yrs they drop you. We were dropped at the expense of Reading or Watford. The Pontins League, the other option is a very Northern-decidated League. City with their small squad didnt want the probelm having a game on a Tuesday at Cardiff and the subs for this game being needed at Sunderland on the Wednesday or it could work viceversa.

The probelm could be solved with easy admin work, Cov, Derby were also dropped and Forest were not so long back. So why dont set up a Midlands League and leave it open to all Midlands teams. Although, Notts County, Mansfield will not be the same quality, they would have less distance to travel and the added bonus of games against say Forest providing money and a decentish crowd.


The more I think of the broader picture, the more the blame doesnt lie with RK. He's working reasonable in extremely difficult conditions and we will only see the true management skills of him if he gets money to improve the squad, the players he wants. I personally believe we could have let go of one of our defenders and then invested in 3 players with the money. But hopefully, we play out the season without any trouble of relegation and then allow either Kelly a new start or a new man an opening beginning with a new season beckoning.

 

[stevewalshwasgod]

The reserve probelm is no fault of City's. The FA Premier League decided on a change of teams in the reserve leagues, if you are out of the PL for so many yrs they drop you. We were dropped at the expense of Reading or Watford. The Pontins League, the other option is a very Northern-decidated League. City with their small squad didnt want the probelm having a game on a Tuesday at Cardiff and the subs for this game being needed at Sunderland on the Wednesday or it could work viceversa.

The probelm could be solved with easy admin work, Cov, Derby were also dropped and Forest were not so long back. So why dont set up a Midlands League and leave it open to all Midlands teams. Although, Notts County, Mansfield will not be the same quality, they would have less distance to travel and the added bonus of games against say Forest providing money and a decentish crowd.
I agree we do need some sort of reserve team, I mean, Kenton, Weso, Chris and Danny C were all threw into the action with no footie for months, they would have been a bit more match fir with some match action behind them, therefore not looking so knackered as Kenton ET al did.. Thats one reason we lost the game.

The more I think of the broader picture, the more the blame doesnt lie with RK. He's working reasonable in extremely difficult conditions and we will only see the true management skills of him if he gets money to improve the squad, the players he wants. I personally believe we could have let go of one of our defenders and then invested in 3 players with the money. But hopefully, we play out the season without any trouble of relegation and then allow either Kelly a new start or a new man an opening beginning with a new season beckoning.

 

[OldGit]

The reserve probelm is no fault of City's. The FA Premier League decided on a change of teams in the reserve leagues, if you are out of the PL for so many yrs they drop you. We were dropped at the expense of Reading or Watford. The Pontins League, the other option is a very Northern-decidated League. City with their small squad didnt want the probelm having a game on a Tuesday at Cardiff and the subs for this game being needed at Sunderland on the Wednesday or it could work viceversa.

The probelm could be solved with easy admin work, Cov, Derby were also dropped and Forest were not so long back. So why dont set up a Midlands League and leave it open to all Midlands teams. Although, Notts County, Mansfield will not be the same quality, they would have less distance to travel and the added bonus of games against say Forest providing money and a decentish crowd.

Then all we need is enough players not injured / suspended and we could almost put out a team!

But yes, I basically agree with you - I think that at the time this was all announced (May I think) they said they hoped they might eventually be able to set something of the sort up.

 

[Polar Bear]

Regarding RK... given the restrictions he has been working under, if he were a bad manager we would be in the bottom three. It does seem to me that one or two bad performances have a lot of people screaming that he is not up to the job. My two cents are that he kept us up last season (if the buck stops with the manager, he has to get the credit for that), and that overall this season we are a shade better than last. Not much fun, but could be a lot worse. Yes, it could be better too. But I would just say - if you were a bright, in-demand manager, would you be keen to come to a club that gives managers two half-seasons to effect a dramatic improvement with minimal resources?

 

[Ox Fox]

Regarding RK... given the restrictions he has been working under, if he were a bad manager we would be in the bottom three. It does seem to me that one or two bad performances have a lot of people screaming that he is not up to the job. My two cents are that he kept us up last season (if the buck stops with the manager, he has to get the credit for that), and that overall this season we are a shade better than last. Not much fun, but could be a lot worse. Yes, it could be better too. But I would just say - if you were a bright, in-demand manager, would you be keen to come to a club that gives managers two half-seasons to effect a dramatic improvement with minimal resources?

 

[Boy Genius]

Regarding RK... given the restrictions he has been working under, if he were a bad manager we would be in the bottom three. It does seem to me that one or two bad performances have a lot of people screaming that he is not up to the job. My two cents are that he kept us up last season (if the buck stops with the manager, he has to get the credit for that), and that overall this season we are a shade better than last. Not much fun, but could be a lot worse. Yes, it could be better too. But I would just say - if you were a bright, in-demand manager, would you be keen to come to a club that gives managers two half-seasons to effect a dramatic improvement with minimal resources?

I could have kept them up last season, anybody new coming in would have had the same positive effect, and I am afraid there have been an awful lot more bad performances, than one or two.

 

[Brauny Blue]

Regarding RK... given the restrictions he has been working under, if he were a bad manager we would be in the bottom three. It does seem to me that one or two bad performances have a lot of people screaming that he is not up to the job. My two cents are that he kept us up last season (if the buck stops with the manager, he has to get the credit for that), and that overall this season we are a shade better than last. Not much fun, but could be a lot worse. Yes, it could be better too. But I would just say - if you were a bright, in-demand manager, would you be keen to come to a club that gives managers two half-seasons to effect a dramatic improvement with minimal resources?

Reasonable point, but imo RK was always a cheap option for a skint club. The fans patience is at snapping point because of the dross served up for the last 3 years under different managers. What the fans want to see is improvement and it just isn't happening under RK. Its not so much the results, its the attitude and level of performances that is going to drive the fans away.That is why i said in a previous post that fans don't want to hear what basically is a defeatest attitude from RK when we are playing stronger opponents. We want to see some fight even if the oppostion is better.

 

[fox58]

we only need 23 more points from 19 games to pass last years total which despite the way we are playing we will proberbly do would this be classed as an imporvement on last term?

 

[Macky]

we only need 23 more points from 19 games to pass last years total which despite the way we are playing we will proberbly do would this be classed as an imporvement on last term?

If we maintain the same points per game ratio for the season so far we will fall short of 23 points.