How to bring stablility with players & manager leaving...

[Chrysalis]

makes sense, in football terms the new season starts in june so it may be the terms were if he was sacked in the first season of employment then he gets higher compo.

 

[bocadillo]

i just do, but i am not prepared to say anymore than that>
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All you know is the same as what anybody else knows. A sacking in June will give rise to a compensatory payment of one month's less salary than a sacking in May. Any reduction that applies because of the lower division that we are now in will apply from the same date whether it relates to actual pay for work or to compensation for no work.

There is no reason related to compensation that Holloway could not have been sacked immediately after the Stoke game.

 

[Steven]

All you know is the same as what anybody else knows. A sacking in June will give rise to a compensatory payment of one month's less salary than a sacking in May. Any reduction that applies because of the lower division that we are now in will apply from the same date whether it relates to actual pay for work or to compensation for no work.

There is no reason related to compensation that Holloway could not have been sacked immediately after the Stoke game.

All of this may be true but my only thought would be that TUO might have a clause in his contract so that he gets paid less if we are in Div 1. That being the case maybe sacking him after such a clause kicked in might be cheaper.

 

[Leesoh]

It's not lack of stability as such that is our problem, it's lack of decisiveness, if you ask me. We've had manager after manager who has not been able to decide on what his best team is, we've seen more players come in and out of the club in the last few years than I can remember, and now we appear to have an owner who can't decide on what manager to put in place.

 

[bocadillo]

All of this may be true but my only thought would be that TUO might have a clause in his contract so that he gets paid less if we are in Div 1. That being the case maybe sacking him after such a clause kicked in might be cheaper.

The criterion for such a clause to kick-in has already been fulfilled; it would therefore apply equally whether to pay or to compensation. This is a red-herring which should not be allowed to disguise MM's lack of decisive action.

 

[Biffa Bacon]

The criterion for such a clause to kick-in has already been fulfilled; it would therefore apply equally whether to pay or to compensation. This is a red-herring which should not be allowed to disguise MM's lack of decisive action.

Unless the clause includes a date or other exclusions, nobody here has seen IH's contract and it could contain all sorts of clauses so it's not really helpful to make statements about it.

 

[teblin]

Holloway said it all "culture of defeat" and "no leadership". These issues need to be addressed just as much as the building the team . No good bringing on or in new players if the culture is that of defeat and/or we have nobody capable of leading the team from the front even when its really tough.

Changing attitude and culture is not done with a two week training course. This sort of change is a slow growing bloom and the seeds need sowing months in advance. You show its changing with your own behaviour and the role model you present. I don't think Holloway can do it.

The problem is he tried to solve it by buying people from a team that had won 1 game all season.

 

[RHYDAL]

maybe a club with a feckless manager and money that they dont know how to spend probably

QPR fit the bill.

 

[Redditch Fox]

Holloway said it all "culture of defeat" and "no leadership". These issues need to be addressed just as much as the building the team . No good bringing on or in new players if the culture is that of defeat and/or we have nobody capable of leading the team from the front even when its really tough.

Changing attitude and culture is not done with a two week training course. This sort of change is a slow growing bloom and the seeds need sowing months in advance. You show its changing with your own behaviour and the role model you present. I don't think Holloway can do it.

Probably true. I would have thought that it can only be addressed by a new management and as far as practical a clear out of the playing staff. Obviously, the latter is going to be very difficult but i do think a new culture at Leicester City requires new foundations. The present squad is steeped in defeat and I doubt whether Holloway has a shred of credibility.

 

[alex]

QPR fit the bill.

How was the day out Sir?

 

[NN Fox]

Probably true. I would have thought that it can only be addressed by a new management and as far as practical a clear out of the playing staff. Obviously, the latter is going to be very difficult but i do think a new culture at Leicester City requires new foundations. The present squad is steeped in defeat and I doubt whether Holloway has a shred of credibility.

The whole club seems steeped in defeat and MM seems not to have changed this attitude.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

The whole club seems steeped in defeat and MM seems not to have changed this attitude.

To be honest Mandaric is part of the problem, 5 managers in 18 months, 30 odd players and now relegated to our lowest ever league position. The guy is as big a failure as the lazy feckers he has paid week in and week out to wear the blue shirt.

The whole club is rotten to the core from the Chairman / Owner all the way down.

I still think MM is looking to get out this summer, it was interesting in his SSN interview that he he would do whats best for the club not what is best for himself or Holloway etc. I think if somebody was prepared to take the club on in it's present state then I think MM would walk away without the blink of an eye.

 

[bocadillo]

To be honest Mandaric is part of the problem, 5 managers in 18 months, 30 odd players and now relegated to our lowest ever league position. The guy is as big a failure as the lazy feckers he has paid week in and week out to wear the blue shirt.

The whole club is rotten to the core from the Chairman / Owner all the way down.

I still think MM is looking to get out this summer, it was interesting in his SSN interview that he he would do whats best for the club not what is best for himself or Holloway etc. I think if somebody was prepared to take the club on in it's present state then I think MM would walk away without the blink of an eye.

It was 30 + 10. We had exactly 40 players take part in matches last seon, not including unused subs.

I agree with your diagnosis, but still wonder whether MM is on his way out or whether he is looking round to get somebody to share the work and responsibility.

 

[teblin]

To be honest Mandaric is part of the problem, 5 managers in 18 months, 30 odd players and now relegated to our lowest ever league position. The guy is as big a failure as the lazy feckers he has paid week in and week out to wear the blue shirt.

The whole club is rotten to the core from the Chairman / Owner all the way down.

I still think MM is looking to get out this summer, it was interesting in his SSN interview that he he would do whats best for the club not what is best for himself or Holloway etc. I think if somebody was prepared to take the club on in it's present state then I think MM would walk away without the blink of an eye.

I have the feeling he'll at least hand the chairmans role to someone else.

 

[Chuck T Masala]

The whole attitude and behaviour of the club needs to change. This starts at the top. If the top man is seen as positive, in control, and doing the right things at the right time the next one down can adopt that stance and so on. If there are blockers, i.e. people who won't or can't change then feck them off. We need to think like winners, behave like winners, train like winners and work like winners. Its no good saying these things, you have to do these things all day everyday and in particular on the pitch.

You don't all have to be best mates, just play your part.

 

[RHYDAL]

How was the day out Sir?

Lovely thanks. Just can't help feeling we forgot something though.

 

[Naughty Fox]

To be honest Mandaric is part of the problem, 5 managers in 18 months, 30 odd players and now relegated to our lowest ever league position. The guy is as big a failure as the lazy feckers he has paid week in and week out to wear the blue shirt.

The whole club is rotten to the core from the Chairman / Owner all the way down.

I still think MM is looking to get out this summer, it was interesting in his SSN interview that he he would do whats best for the club not what is best for himself or Holloway etc. I think if somebody was prepared to take the club on in it's present state then I think MM would walk away without the blink of an eye.

A bit unfair on MM PFK, I agree that most of his decisions have not paid off, but it is not through the lack of trying. He has backed up these decisions with investment and I am sure that his comments on SSN refer more to having someone else make the decisions by stepping down as chairman. Yes money is obviously at the root of why he is here, but he wants to bring success.
I agree with Redditch that the biggest mistake was not pulling the trigger on Holloway to try and stave off relegation, but he must have thought like many of us that even he couldn't feck it up with the players he had at the club, we now know he/we were wrong.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

A bit unfair on MM PFK, I agree that most of his decisions have not paid off, but it is not through the lack of trying. He has backed up these decisions with investment and I am sure that his comments on SSN refer more to having someone else make the decisions by stepping down as chairman. Yes money is obviously at the root of why he is here, but he wants to bring success.
I agree with Redditch that the biggest mistake was not pulling the trigger on Holloway to try and stave off relegation, but he must have thought like many of us that even he couldn't feck it up with the players he had at the club, we now know he/we were wrong.

No it isn't unfair on Mandaric, his decision making and Managerial appointment strategy has turned us into a laughing stock, it also helped distabilise the club and IMO created divisions and frustration amongst the players.

Leadership comes from the top and "employees" have to have faith and belief in their leader, any business or organsiation must have solid foundations and unfortunately Mandaric's somtimes rash and ill judged decisions have meant that the clubs foundations were nothing more than built on sand surely this will have filtered down to the players and as result helped our demise to league one.

Mandaric has played a massive part in our relegation, despite authorising some pretty hefty spending, his direct actions and decision making has resulted in us playing in the third tier of English Football for the first time in our history, would us fans have been so forgiving of TNBD and his cronies had they overseen such a farcical sequence of events.

 

[Redditch Fox]

I think if somebody was prepared to take the club on in it's present state then I think MM would walk away without the blink of an eye.

I don't doubt it.

However, that's not likely to happen.

As I see it, three simple steps are now necessary:

1. Sack Holloway - there is the stench of failure around him and that won't go away.

2. Mandaric gives up his executive responsibilities in recognition that he has made a series of poor decisions and has to take ultimate responsibility for our unnecessary relegation.

3. A new manager is appointed with a brief to get rid at all costs of every player who isn't fully committed to regaining our championship status over a two year time scale.

4. The new chairman and the CEO conduct a thorough review of structures and personnel throughout the club and weed out those with negative attitudes and then start to try to develop a positive culture within the organisation.

 

[Steven]

I don't doubt it.

However, that's not likely to happen.

As I see it, three simple steps are now necessary:

1. Sack Holloway - there is the stench of failure around him and that won't go away.

2. Mandaric gives up his executive responsibilities in recognition that he has made a series of poor decisions and has to take ultimate responsibility for our unnecessary relegation.

3. A new manager is appointed with a brief to get rid at all costs of every player who isn't fully committed to regaining our championship status over a two year time scale.

4. The new chairman and the CEO conduct a thorough review of structures and personnel throughout the club and weed out those with negative attitudes and then start to try to develop a positive culture within the organisation.

A definite plan. :icon_bigg :icon_razz :icon_wink