Huddersfield 4 - 2

[H T B]

Just watched the goals on Live, Fryatts was definately handball.

If you watched the goals from the same clip as I've just watched, how the feck can you tell where it hit?

Yes, the defenders put their hands up in appeal, but did they chase the ref as per norm on such an unjustice?
More of an attempt cos they fecked up and knew they were going to get beat.

 

[WALSHIESTACKLE]

If you watched the goals from the same clip as I've just watched, how the feck can you tell where it hit?

Yes, the defenders put their hands up in appeal, but did they chase the ref as per norm on such an unjustice?
More of an attempt cos they fecked up and knew they were going to get beat.

Just saw the goals and it looked like handball to me too. Who gives a feck though anyway. About time we had decisions go for us. We do seem to be getting the rub of the green this season (Howard apart). Can't ever remember thinking that about a seson before.

 

[City Fan]

If you watched the goals from the same clip as I've just watched, how the feck can you tell where it hit?

Yes, the defenders put their hands up in appeal, but did they chase the ref as per norm on such an unjustice?
More of an attempt cos they fecked up and knew they were going to get beat.

It definitely came off the top of his arm, between his shoulder and elbow. You can see it on LCW when they slow it down.

 

[bocadillo]

It definitely came off the top of his arm, between his shoulder and elbow. You can see it on LCW when they slow it down.

Presumably then one of the following applies:

• Neither the referee nor either of his assistants saw it
• The referee did not consider that it was deliberate

Either way, it was not given - and I never argue with referees.

 

[City Fan]

• The referee did not consider that it was deliberate

An undeliberate handball should still be disallowed shouldn't it?

 

[bocadillo]

[/LIST]
An undeliberate handball should still be disallowed shouldn't it?

Not sure what you mean, but handball is only handball if the referee considers it deliberate. If he does not consider it deliberate, he must not give a free-kick - and that applies even if a goal results from it.

This would equally apply to a defender on his own goal-line; if he accidentally handles the ball and thus keeps it from going over the line, the referee must not give a penalty.

The offence is not simply that the ball touches the hand or arm.

 

[Kettering Pete]

[/LIST]
An undeliberate handball should still be disallowed shouldn't it?

As a retired ref, I suppose I better point this out!! No referee would ever stop play for an accidental handball. It's one of the hardest things to judge though. When I was a kid a referee awarded a penalty against me for hand ball, even though I had my back to the player shooting. That's what made me take up reffing!

LAW 12
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player
commits any of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his
own penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick). Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following
into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards
the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected
ball)

 

[enderby fox]

I don't understand your logic, but I find comfort in that.

exactly. i have my reasons for being disapointed. but i'll keep them to myself

 

[alex]

Where are they online? Virgin Media aside..

 

[bocadillo]

Where are they online? Virgin Media aside..

LCFCWorld.

 

[Joe_Fox]

They've scored 4 against us in two games, which is pretty good going.

Shame for them they've conceded seven.......

It's not a shame at all.

 

[spionfox]

It's not a shame at all.

Are you American?

:icon_wink

 

[Real Sharapova]

Are you American?

:icon_wink

Are you implying Joe has had a sense of irony removal?:icon_wink

 

[spionfox]

Are you implying Joe has had a sense of irony removal?:icon_wink

 

[City Fan]

As a retired ref, I suppose I better point this out!! No referee would ever stop play for an accidental handball.

I know they wouldn't in normal play, but if a player accidentally handles it into the net, I would have thought that would have been different - i.e. no goal.

Just seen Boc say that it applies even if a goal results from it - sounds a bit stupid that does IMO.

 

[bocadillo]

I know they wouldn't in normal play, but if a player accidentally handles it into the net, I would have thought that would have been different - i.e. no goal.

Just seen Boc say that it applies even if a goal results from it - sounds a bit stupid that does IMO.

And Kettering Pete, a qualified referee, said the same thing

 

[Graz]

I know they wouldn't in normal play, but if a player accidentally handles it into the net, I would have thought that would have been different - i.e. no goal.

Just seen Boc say that it applies even if a goal results from it - sounds a bit stupid that does IMO.

Doesn't (shouldn't) matter where it is on the pitch, it's still the same action.

The only rule that should make any change depending where it takes place on the pitch (I think) is if a foul is deemed as denying a clear goal scoring opportunity?

 

[DesertFox]

And they've closed the local library. Now there's a book lack in Ongar.........................

:icon_lol: :icon_lol: Obviously some very poor Ongar management there.

 

[Mike - True Blue Tinter]

I know they wouldn't in normal play, but if a player accidentally handles it into the net, I would have thought that would have been different - i.e. no goal.

Just seen Boc say that it applies even if a goal results from it - sounds a bit stupid that does IMO.

If it is not deliberate, i.e. ball to hand, then it is the same as if it hit his leg or shoulder or head.

 

[Matt_B]

If it is not deliberate, i.e. ball to hand, then it is the same as if it hit his leg or shoulder or head.

IMO if you gain advantage from it then it should be a foul, irrespective of intent. If you go for a tackle intending to win the ball, but miss and get the player it is a foul regardless of intent.