Racist Chanting

[ChrisFilter]

In all honesty, I think it's a cultural and generation thing rather than being linked to race. A large segment of today's youth have very little respect for society and the law. There's a massive disconnect. Personally I think part of the problem is that parent's are no longer allowed to discipline their children, although I accept it goes deeper than that as well. You've also got the music and film industries glamourising violence and a softening of censorship laws which allows younger people to witness more and more violent and rebellious material. I'm happy to admit I got a smack when I acted up as a kid and I'm glad I did. It taught me as a child right from wrong. Obviously I'm not saying beat a kid to within an inch of it's life or bruising them when I say smacking them....there's a massive difference there.

Parenting definitely plays a part.

There are loads of reasons for the disconnect - it's impossible to attribute it to a single thing. All the things you cite will be a factor, but there's also many more things at play. To be honest, it's beyond my grasp of sociology but I read some really interesting pieces after the riots of speculation.

 

[gregs_y2k]

I'm sorry but you're wrong. There's nothing wrong with giving a child a mild strike in my opinion. I'm well aware I will get hung drawn and quartered by some sections for saying so, but if I had children I would definitely condone a smack if what they had done meritted it. That's not violence. In that sense giving a playful slap on a girlfriends arse is domestic violence.

 

[Miles Away]

I wouldn't know, I am questioning why it always seems to be a disproportionate amount of people of colour who act up at the slightest thing? But I think we have our answer now, they are in the main skint, so they are excused.

Not excusing anything. Just attempting to understand a phenomenon.

If you think minorities riot because their skin color predisposes it, there is little point in us continuing this conversation.

 

[gregs_y2k]

Parenting definitely plays a part.

There are loads of reasons for the disconnect - it's impossible to attribute it to a single thing. All the things you cite will be a factor, but there's also many more things at play. To be honest, it's beyond my grasp of sociology but I read some really interesting pieces after the riots of speculation.

I know it goes much deeper than that, wasn;t attributing those factors as the be all and end all but rather some of the examples of the factors at play.

 

[ChrisFilter]

I'm sorry but you're wrong. There's nothing wrong with giving a child a mild strike in my opinion. I'm well aware I will get hung drawn and quartered by some sections for saying so, but if I had children I would definitely condone a smack if what they had done meritted it. That's not violence. In that sense giving a playful slap on a girlfriends arse is domestic violence.

I'm not 100% sure where I stand on it, but my gut reaction is that smacking is a very lazy way to try and mould a child's behaviour. I think it's likely to do more harm than good.

I got a good smacking from my Mum and childminder as a kid - I doubt it did me any harm, but I doubt it did me any good.

Fear a motivator is never a healthy thing, I don't think.

 

[SJN-Fox]

You're just a small town of dyslexia's, small town of dyslexia's....

Ooooh, the irony.

 

[Macky]

I'm sorry but you're wrong. There's nothing wrong with giving a child a mild strike in my opinion. I'm well aware I will get hung drawn and quartered by some sections for saying so, but if I had children I would definitely condone a smack if what they had done meritted it. That's not violence. In that sense giving a playful slap on a girlfriends arse is domestic violence.

It is violence, whatever way you try to dress it up, and it is counterproductive.
Love and honesty are the two most important assets at your disposal when parenting.

In that sense giving a playful slap on a girlfriends arse is domestic violence.

I'm sorry Gregs, but the comparison with a playful slap on a girlfriend's arse is just asinine.

 

[Richie]

Magic. Imagine me having a multicultural view of a multicultural world!

Multicultural? That must be why we have so many race relations boards in action, because the world is such a happy & harmonious place.

and, you know what, the vast majority of black people of low economic status leave school, go out, work hard, save hard and make the best of their situation. Do you really believe there's a difference?

Maybe there isn't, but if only the other people of colour would stop rioting perhaps people wouldn't hold such stereotypical views?

I would imagine that a significant percentage of people involved in black on black guncrime are British. It's not about 'allowing people in'.

Yeah, they're British alright.

By the same token, can we disallow people with your backwards mindset from the country?

And imagine me a true Brit having the gall to question this integration that was forced on me? I know, let's call him names and tell him his attitude is backward. That way we can all pretend we live in a multicultural wonderland.

I'd like to say how I really feel, because rest assured I would stand by every word of it, however, there are a whole raft of race laws stopping people from telling things as they really see it, so I'll have to be careful not to step over that line.

You wouldn't think we'd need all these race related laws would you, being as we live in such a multicultural world? Unless we don't that is, and it's being forced upon us whether we like it or not.

Is the economic reasons you keep parroting not excusing it? If not, what is it?

 

[Rich B]

That's not why no racial charges were brought, but on today's evidence I'm not sure you're bright enough to work out the difference between racial motive and racist language used during the attsck.

Wow, insulting and patronising, a man ( woman ?? ) of many talents.

Perhaps you can explain to this here thick ignoramus then why black girls kicking a white girl whilst shrieking “kill the white bitch” was not classed as a race / hate crime ?

This should be interesting.

PS – I am bright enough to be able to spell attack.

 

[fitz]

Multicultural? That must be why we have so many race relations boards in action, because the world is such a happy & harmonious place.

Do you understand what multicultural means?

 

[gregs_y2k]

It is violence, whatever way you try to dress it up, and it is counterproductive.
Love and honesty are the two most important assets at your disposal when parenting.


I'm sorry Gregs, but the comparison with a playful slap on a girlfriend's arse is just asinine.

I'm sorry in a perfect world we could create boundaries with words and by hiding the sweets but it just isn't the case. Children are by nature rebellious and intelligent. Part of their growing up and development is pushing the boundaries as far as possible. It's no coincidence that nowadays a lot of children run amok because they know that they have the upper hand and that no one can touch them. No matter how much you love them they will still push you as far as possible to test those boundaries. It's not violence to strike them once to let them know they've done wrong. I'm not saying you beat them with your fists. If someone smacks a child they shouldn't put their full force into a blow but hit them hard enough to make sure they know that they have overstepped the mark. It's much more difficult and ineffective to try and do this with alternative methods.

 

[camberwell fox]

:icon_wink

 

[Kingy_85]

2011 was a bit of a drab year from a Talking Balls point of view.

2012 BANG! - Racism, smacking children, Forest twice in a week and Macky talking about love & honesty.

 

[Kingy_85]

46% of those appearing in court were from black or mixed black backgrounds, 42% were white, 7% were Asian and 5% were classified as "other".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...e-gang-members-115875-23511628/#ixzz1j9GK68FM

Other = Vulcan.

 

[Hazzman]

Interesting article on F365 today about how homophobia is the next taboo that needs to be seriously looked at in football. Can I post the link?... http://www.football365.com/f365-says/7420251/F365-Says

There's a thread for such thought provoking articles. Then at least it doesn't get dragged down in here.

Ture, though I have it in my head (blind faith) that if our fans were getting investigated for similar chants the majority on here would be in support of the authorities and not those chanting.

I doubt it. Folk are simply blinded by the support of a football club. See Liverpool's recent defence of Suarez and every club which has gone into administration over the past fifteen years.

Football crowds, usually led by idiots and/or drunks, don't have the brain power to think past the first insult that comes to mind. It won't disappear for a long time.

If our support had any witty brain amongst them....a reply of chanting 'Thailand' would been decent.

 

[Richie]

Do you understand what multicultural means?

To me it's a word a small percentage of people use to convince themselves and the masses that we all live together in harmony.

 

[Macky]

Perhaps you can explain to this here thick ignoramus then why black girls kicking a white girl whilst shrieking “kill the white bitch” was not classed as a race / hate crime ?

This should be interesting.

That's easy Rich, because there was no evidence that the reason they were attacking her was because she was white. It's really not that difficult.

Just for example, if I box you on the nose for stealing my wallet and call you a Florist ****, did I break your nose because you stole my wallet or because you support f0r£$t?

 

[fitz]

To me it a word a small percentage of people use to convince themselves and the masses that we all live together in harmony.

So the short answer = no?

 

[tedfoxxx]

This flippant attempt at humour (or just trivialising racism) from another Notts based fellow seems to justify that people from Notts (a hotbed of BNP activists) are just not aware of their own ignorance. Using 'coloured' 'darkie' 'yellow ones'...just shows that people in that piss-hole county are stuck in an era where it was not illegal to racially abuse people - 50s, 60s and 70s

What's with the 'PC Brigade' rubbish? It's an offence to racially abuse someone whatever their skin colour you little ignoramus!

Do you have a sense of humour? Have you read the thread? Why does me living 30 miles up the road from Leicester instantly make me a racist/BNP member? If you had known that I only moved here two years ago would you revise that link?

I don't want to get dragged into this massively over inflated thread, hopefully not spouting the utter bollocks that others have; Utter bollocks which they actually believe. I'm not ignorant, I'm certainly not racist, and you have pretty much missed the point of my post, which was to takes the piss out of the posters that were getting bogged down in a serious debate on race on a sodding football forum from which nothing will be learned and no outcome reached.

If you don't like flippant or ironic humour, I suggest that you don't get too involved in the forum.

 

[Richie]

So the short answer = no?

Please bestow me with your definition of the word then.