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So to ask again, if white girls were giving a kicking to a black girl would they, in your opinion, be done under hate / race laws?

I don't know, you'd have to provide me with the facts of the case. But in this case both parties claimed the other side racially abused them. Without witnesses, or sufficient video footage you couldn't secure a conviction for it being racially motivated.
 
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Feel free to call me anything you like, I am most certainly not going to run crying foul to anyone complaining. I do not mean this in any way shape or form as racist or disrespectful but I presume that by your vehement and vociferous attack on my comments that you are black / asian / other non-white ( jeez I don't know how to class non-whites these days without being deemed a raving racist )

No. I'm white. You don't have to suffer prejudice to abhor it.

I grew up in a mixed-ethnicity area and live/work/socialise with people from all different backgrounds. A lot of the people I love are different ethnicities to me, and I resent that they have to suffer abuse and ignorance by virtue of their skin pigmentation or ancestral roots.
 
Fully agree with ChrisFilter trying (unsuccessfully unfortunately) to get the Daily Mail readers, Cate and the Forest fan, to take racism seriously.

Bit surprised to see one of our own women not wishing to show empathy with another group who suffer discrimination....of a different kind.

(A note from the Office fan maybe? "Calm down dear....now don't play the sexism 'card' love" )

I do take racism seriously. I have put up with it all my life being called a spud picker. What I objected to was the confrontational posting, which I felt wasnt getting the point across.
 
Actually, I believe more arrests were made of white people than black people.

So what you "believe" is fact now?

The riots were a real killer for provincial race relations. Those with racist tendancies just used them as an enabler, as above. Prejudice is often blind in this regard. I expect you mentally blocked the white faces to support your views.

I'd say your biased viewpoint is bringing out your own prejudices, because a huge majority of those involved were people of colour (am I okay to say that?). Just as the riots 30 years ago were committed by people of colour. Just as the Broadwater Farm riots were committed by people of colour. There is so much black on black gun crime the Met have set up a specialised group to deal with it in Trident.

The great irony is if you dare to mention these facts the usual mealy mouthed PC buzzwords are thrown about to silence the realists. I couldn't care less what buzzwords you throw at me because they are meaningless due to their over use. And if living in the dark ages means not having to tolerate rioting hordes, record levels of gun crime and being so right on I can't even see my own prejudice, then print the t-shirt & I'll wear it.
 
( jeez I don't know how to class non-whites these days without being deemed a raving racist )

I prefer the term "organ visible".....this week at least. Failure to comply with their self-indulgent PC claptrap will lead to your hounding out of job and home.
 
If it was proved to be racially motivated, rather than just accompanied with racist language, then yes.

The girl who was attacked and beaten told the police she was racially abused as the attack was going on. Her boyfriend also reported the racist aspect to the attack to the police. The only problem was the victims were white and the attackers were black, so no racial charges were brought.
 
So what you "believe" is fact now?

No, hence saying 'I believe', you muppet.

I'd say your biased viewpoint is bringing out your own prejudices, because a huge majority of those involved were people of colour (am I okay to say that?). Just as the riots 30 years ago were committed by people of colour. Just as the Broadwater Farm riots were committed by people of colour. There is so much black on black gun crime the Met have set up a specialised group to deal with it in Trident.

The great irony is if you dare to mention these facts the usual mealy mouthed PC buzzwords are thrown about to silence the realists. I couldn't care less what buzzwords you throw at me because they are meaningless due to their over use. And if living in the dark ages means not having to tolerate rioting hordes, record levels of gun crime and being so right on I can't even see my own prejudice, then print the t-shirt & I'll wear it.

I don't have a biased viewpoint.

Right. Where to begin.

The riots involved people of all different ethnicities. There were a high proportion of black people, yes. This is because the people in these areas who are of low economic status have a high proportion of black people amongst their number. It has nothing to do with black people having a greater propensity for rioting or crime of any nature which is implicit in your argument.

The riots in the 80s were of a very different nature. The Met Police were far more institutionally racist back then, with appalling treatment of people simply by virtue of their skin colour. I don't think you can make a direct comparison.

Gun crime, yes, there is very high levels of black on black gun crime. It's lessened due to Operation Trident, but it's still a problem. There is a certain amount of Jamaican gang culture at play here. Lots of machismo. But again, that's a cultural thing from one country. Not an ethnicity. So again, skin pigmentation has naff all to do with a propensity for high levels of gun crime.

And as for your harking back to an all white golden age, how utterly depressing.

All the things you cite can and should be attributed to economic status and oppression. It's got nothing - literally NOTHING - to do with people's ethnicities.
 
So Richie, you genuinely believe skin color/genetics actually has a direct line to behavior?

That is, there were more black rioters because that is what people of different creed are disposed to do?
 
The girl who was attacked and beaten told the police she was racially abused as the attack was going on. Her boyfriend also reported the racist aspect to the attack to the police. The only problem was the victims were white and the attackers were black, so no racial charges were brought.

That's not why no racial charges were brought, but on today's evidence I'm not sure you're bright enough to work out the difference between racial motive and racist language used during the attsck.
 
As a proud Jewish black woman, I agree with Cate.

....Well you certainly know how to win arguments and influence people, blah, blah, blah

Your adlibs just show you really are of a Victorian era: so contrived and just not funny...although you may still get a chuckle from a certain Daily Mail reader
 
The girl who was attacked and beaten told the police she was racially abused as the attack was going on. Her boyfriend also reported the racist aspect to the attack to the police. The only problem was the victims were white and the attackers were black, so no racial charges were brought.

Do you think there's some sort of conspiracy to stop ethnic minorities being charged with racially motivated crimes? The facts are that there was no concrete evidence to suggest it was racially motivated but if there was, the charges would certainly have been brought.

But I suppose you got your account of the case from the Daily Mail?
 
46% of those appearing in court were from black or mixed black backgrounds, 42% were white, 7% were Asian and 5% were classified as "other".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...e-gang-members-115875-23511628/#ixzz1j9GK68FM

Cool - thanks. I was wrong. The point still stands that it certainly was in no way a vast majority of black or mixed race people involved in the riots.

The overriding link between the people involved in the rights is economic status, not ethnicity.
 
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