Suspected suicide bomber shot

[Durham Fox]

I think this years award is now safely in the bag :icon_wink

:icon_lol:

 

[Real Sharapova]

I have rarely seen so much ill-informed specualtion in a single thread. I'm sorry to pick RS's post on which to base my reply because many people have been equally as inaccurate.

Some facts:

The incident did not take place at a bank - it was a building society.

It was 8 o'clock at night so staff would not have been there (unless they had been kidnapped and dragged there from home - there is no indication of that having happened)

Three? There were at least four raiders involved - one of them is dead - three of them are in custody.​

Thank God for the IPCC, so we don't have to rely on 'internet chatter' for our information!! :icon_roll

I knew it was the Nationwide, but was being lazy. How do you rob an empty building society, and why take a shotgun. My understanding is staff were involved - maybe kidnapped to open up the gaffe?

 

[bocadillo]

I think this years award is now safely in the bag :icon_wink

I hope you're correct - but you try taking money out of your bank account from a branch of a building society which closed three hours earlier and you will realise that it is important to know the difference.

 

[OldGit]

I have rarely seen so much ill-informed specualtion in a single thread. I'm sorry to pick RS's post on which to base my reply because many people have been equally as inaccurate.

Thank God ...... we don't have to rely on 'internet chatter' for our information!! :icon_roll

I think you do the forum an injustice - most threads are based on ill-informed speculation. :icon_roll I take it you've not been following those regarding the LCFC take-over


But yes, I take your point

 

[bocadillo]

I think you do the forum an injustice - most threads are based on ill-informed speculation. :icon_roll I take it you've not been following those regarding the LCFC take-over

mmmm - sadly I've been reading that too. And I take your point.

 

[fcukcov]

I hope you're correct - but you try taking money out of your bank account from a branch of a building society which closed three hours earlier and you will realise that it is important to know the difference.

why not just use the cashpoint? I use a nationwide cashpoint all the time and I dont bank with them. Im lost

 

[highland fox]

i didn't say accidentally squeezed the trigger.

there's not a lot of background work can go into the situation can it???

bloke running through the station, shit lets do a background check!

Lets hope you are never late for a train Nathan:icon_roll

 

[Melton Fox]

Lets hope you are never late for a train Nathan:icon_roll

Yeah Nathan, until a police officer says to you "stop running otherwise I'll load this big gun into your head", I'm afraid you can't have an opinion, you don't know what you might do. I'm sure the decision isn't that straight forward. You don't know if his mrs was just taking the Aunt Bessys Yorkshire Puddings out of the oven, he may not wanted to have missed them. I mean, they are nice cold with a knob of butter and a sprinkling of sugar, but I'd prefer them warm with gravy on

Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

 

[Fox Fan]

At the end of the day if you have a gun on you, and your atempting to use it to rob, then you have to fully expect to get shot. Personally if that was the case I think it serves him right.


Scum of the Earth

 

[Scarby]

At the end of the day if you have a gun on you, and your atempting to use it to rob, then you have to fully expect to get shot. Personally if that was the case I think it serves him right.


Scum of the Earth

an eye for an eye FF and eye for an eye.

Personally i dont agree with that, he should be caught and publically hung or worse forced to watch forest play for a whole season home and away

 

[fcukcov]

Yeah Nathan, until a police officer says to you "stop running otherwise I'll load this big gun into your head", I'm afraid you can't have an opinion, you don't know what you might do. I'm sure the decision isn't that straight forward. You don't know if his mrs was just taking the Aunt Bessys Yorkshire Puddings out of the oven, he may not wanted to have missed them. I mean, they are nice cold with a knob of butter and a sprinkling of sugar, but I'd prefer them warm with gravy on

Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

I think this is the point I was trying to make but you put some much more elquently than I ever could mr melts.

 

[Steven]

Sir Ian Blair, Metropolitan Police Commissioner appealed for Londoners to keep calm

He added: "We need the understanding and cooperation of all communites."

He also told how hundreds of police officers and anti-terrorist teams were working around the clock and that 'the situation was under control.'

He confirmed today's shooting of a man at Stockwell Tube station was a terrorist attack.

He added that the shooting was 'deeply regrettable' but told how the man had refused to obey police instructions.

What Police instructions? This was an execution by a armed gang of people clearly out of control.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7706033.stm

Menezes police 'out of control'

Ann Dunwoodie was near Jean Charles de Menezes when he died
A commuter who was sitting near Jean Charles de Menezes on a Tube train has told his inquest that police gave no warning before killing him.

Anna Dunwoodie said she believed officers were "out of control" and gave off a "sense of panic" before shooting.

She claimed that the innocent 27-year-old appeared calm as a gun was held to his head.

Mr de Menezes was killed in 2005 in south London by police who mistook him for a failed 21 July suicide bomber.

Ms Dunwoodie was sitting two or three seats to the left of Mr de Menezes when he boarded the train at Stockwell Tube Station, south London on 22 July 2005.

She told the inquest that, at the time, she thought the firearms officers pursuing Mr de Menezes were members of a gang. I guess he had a gun pressed to his head and there was not anything he could do about it

She said she did not hear officers shout any warning at the electrician.

"I would like to say that on whether I heard anything from police officers, I am very, very clear. I had absolutely no idea who they were and had they shouted I would have latched on to that," she said.

She described the scene on the train as one of panic:

"I think it was the man, who I now know to be a surveillance officer, (who) really seemed to be frightened or hyped up and when he was calling the other men they seemed... you know, when people are full of adrenalin and they move quickly and their movements are a bit jerky.

"I felt they were a bit out of control, that's what it felt like."

'Shaken up'

Discussing the moments before Mr Menezes' death, Ms Dunwoodie said he had closed his eyes and looked "almost calm".

"I guess he had a gun pressed to his head and there was not anything he could do about it", she said.

She told the jury at the Oval cricket ground that the police then shouted among themselves before the first shots "came very suddenly".

"My first thoughts were that it was someone firing a stun gun.

"There was a break and it was my memory that there were more shots."

She then explained how she was still "shaken up" when giving interviews to the police afterwards.

She said: "I was really under pressure to look at a memory that was very recent and frightening."

A surveillance officer, using the code name Ivor, had previously told the inquest that Mr de Menezes had stood up and walked towards him as police challenged him.

But Ms Dunwoodie, who had been reading a book on the train, said she did not recall that happening.

She said she felt "most frightened" of Ivor - who had also sat near her on the train.

She said: "He did make me feel very nervous. My attention was drawn to him. He seemed to have stuff in his bag and there seemed to be a metallic noise."

'Something illegal'

She said Ivor then ran toward the door opposite herself and she later heard him shouting "there he is" while pointing at Mr de Menezes.

Ms Dunwoodie added that she thought Ivor - whom it had previously emerged, had also been mistaken by police as their suspect - was her main threat.

After the shooting she told how she thought "something illegal" had happened and said her first impulse was to call the police to let them know.

Two eyewitnesses who sat near the carriage doors where firearms officers opened fire also said they had no recollection of any warnings from armed police.

Robert Preston said he only heard police shouting "get down, get down".

"It was quite a general statement and it could have applied to me," he said.

Mark Whitby, a fellow passenger, added that that was all he heard too.

He said: "There was not one mention of armed police."

 

[The Major]

It's easy to be wise after the event. Imo the police couldn't afford to give the man a chance to detonate his bomb, especially as they believed their lives were at risk as well.

If this man had had a bomb on him these police would be considered heroes. The fact that they were given the wrong information isn't their fault.

 

[Steven]

It's easy to be wise after the event. Imo the police couldn't afford to give the man a chance to detonate his bomb, especially as they believed their lives were at risk as well.

If this man had had a bomb on him these police would be considered heroes. The fact that they were given the wrong information isn't their fault.

The Police were not in control of the situation or themselves. Sadly I believe your way of thinking will only lead to the Police killing more innocent people in the name of what is essentially paranoia. :icon_conf

 

[The Major]

The Police were not in control of the situation or themselves. Sadly I believe your way of thinking will only lead to the Police killing more innocent people in the name of what is essentially paranoia. :icon_conf

As I say it's easy to be wise after the event and when you've not got a suicide bomber 15' away from you.

If the police had shouted out a warning and a bomb had gone off, killing dozens, people would be asking 'why didn't they just shoot?'

 

[Macky]

If the police had shouted out a warning and a bomb had gone off, killing dozens, people would be asking 'why didn't they just shoot?'

Problem is, they gave evidence stating that they had shouted a warning identifying themselves as armed police, as they are required to do, but all the independent witnesses have contradicted this.

 

[Billyjof]

I'm with you Major,

I think in the heat of the moment mistakes were made and an innocent man was shot(Running away from police onto a tube train 2 weeks after others had been blown up)

My problem (other than an innocent person being shot) is the way the evil bastards tried to lie their way out of it afterwards.

 

[footyguts]

he shouldnt of even been in this country.shoot em all i say.

 

[Macky]

I'm with you Major,

I think in the heat of the moment mistakes were made and an innocent man was shot(Running away from police onto a tube train weeks after others had been blown up)

He wasn't running at any time, he walked calmly onto the train and sat down.

 

[Matt_B]

he shouldnt of even been in this country.shoot em all i say.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are joking there.