"There is no racism in football"

[SwedeFox]

I believe that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the current crop of owners and chairmen consider the colour of someone's skin to be a factor in their decision making when it comes to appointing staff.

It doesn't matter how many times posters say the same thing over and over again, they back it up with nothing of significance. Consider your assertion in the context of a court of law. You'd be laughed out of the place.

You're saying that it's due to racist owners/chairmen that there are so few black managers. I say that is a lame and frankly disrespectful attitude based on out-dated and weak assumptions. Just consider the many and varied nationalities and cultures represented in our boardrooms nowadays. Just because something may have been a factor in the past, doesn't mean it still has to be now.

I don't know what sort of evidence would satisfy you. First of all, not everyone is as stupid as Ron Noades, as Jeff pointed out. Secondly, people can make racist decisions without ever articulating racist beliefs. And, thirdly, even if they did, you would dismiss it as anecdotal evidence, as you have with everything in this thread. What do you want, a poll where 50% or more of the chairmen come out as white supremacists?

The fact that fewer black players go on to become managers, compared to white people, and struggle to get top jobs, needs an explanation. You can put it down as accidental or whatever, but since society as a whole is skewed in favour of white people I think it's fairly natural to believe that football is not exempted from that.

 

[Blue Maniac]

How many black former players are qualified, interested and good enough? Does anyone have these stats?

 

[camberwell fox]

How many football managers are women?

How many are Oriental?

How many are German?

How many are Siberian?

 

[Blaarev]

How many football managers are women? Not many.

How many are Oriental? Lots of them in the orient (not Leyton)

How many are German? Thousands

How many are Siberian? Haven't got a clue but probably a signifikant number

 

[camberwell fox]

:icon_lol:

 

[Jeff]

How many football managers are women?

How many are Oriental?

How many are German?

How many are Siberian?

Most football mangers are people who have had experience playing the game at a professional level. So you'd expect the make up of the managers to reflect the gender, nationalities and races of the players.

You should be careful when using the word "Oriental", some people consider it to be offensive.

 

[Blaarev]

Most football mangers are people who have had experience playing the game at a professional level. So you'd expect the make up of the managers to reflect the gender, nationalities and races of the players.

You should be careful when using the word "Oriental", some people consider it to be offensive.

what about "women"? Some of us don't like to called that either.

 

[camberwell fox]

You should be careful when using the word "Oriental", some people consider it to be offensive.

Seriously?

 

[Jeff]

Seriously?

Yes. Mainly in the US.


From http://racerelations.about.com/od/understandingrac1/a/racialnamestoavoid.htm

What’s the problem with using the term “Oriental” to describe individuals of Asian descent? Common complaints about the term include that it should be reserved for objects, such as rugs, and not people, and that it’s antiquated—akin to using “Negro” to describe an African American. Howard University Law Professor Frank H. Wu made the comparison in a 2009 New York Times piece about the state of New York banning the use of “Oriental” on government forms and documents. Washington State passed a similar ban in 2002.

“It’s associated with a time period when Asians had a subordinate status,” Professor Wu told the Times. He added that people link the term to old stereotypes of Asians and the era when the United States government passed exclusion acts to keep Asian people from entering the country. Given this, “For many Asian Americans, it’s not just this term: It’s about much more…It’s about your legitimacy to be here,” Wu said.

 

[Macky]

Yes. Mainly in the US.


From http://racerelations.about.com/od/understandingrac1/a/racialnamestoavoid.htm

What’s the problem with using the term “Oriental” to describe individuals of Asian descent? Common complaints about the term include that it should be reserved for objects, such as rugs, and not people, and that it’s antiquated—akin to using “Negro” to describe an African American. Howard University Law Professor Frank H. Wu made the comparison in a 2009 New York Times piece about the state of New York banning the use of “Oriental” on government forms and documents. Washington State passed a similar ban in 2002.

“It’s associated with a time period when Asians had a subordinate status,” Professor Wu told the Times. He added that people link the term to old stereotypes of Asians and the era when the United States government passed exclusion acts to keep Asian people from entering the country. Given this, “For many Asian Americans, it’s not just this term: It’s about much more…It’s about your legitimacy to be here,” Wu said.

Whatever next eh? It won't be long before they'll be telling us that 'nignog' or 'coloured' is somehow offensive

 

[camberwell fox]

Whatever next eh? It won't be long before they'll be telling us that 'nignog' or 'coloured' is somehow offensive

 

[RHYDAL]

Whatever next eh? It won't be long before they'll be telling us that 'nignog' or 'coloured' is somehow offensive

I await a play entitled 'Joseph and his amazing varied wavelength light reflecting coat' at a theatre near me.

 

[Mawsley]

How many black former players are qualified, interested and good enough? Does anyone have these stats?

I do.

But you have to be in my gang and come to the annual clubhouse meeting to hear them disclosed.

 

[Blue Maniac]

I do.

But you have to be in my gang and come to the annual clubhouse meeting to hear them disclosed.

:icon_bigg

 

[FryattFox]

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink appointed manager of Burton.

 

[Ike O'Noclassed]

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink appointed manager of Burton.

That lifts the BME proportion of coaches in the top levels of English football (as reported in a Loughborough Uni study last week) from 3.4% to a towering 3.6%.

 

[Mawsley]

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink appointed manager of Burton.

I declare this thread over - racism in football has been defeated.

 

[FryattFox]

I declare this thread over - racism in football has been defeated.

Victory.

 

[Motown Fox]

Burton confirm the new manager.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30003191

However he has an assistant waiting in the wings in case he's not up to the task and it's no other than one of our old players.

 

[FOX Franks]

Clearly there is an imbalance. But instead of just saying "there is definitely racism" has anyone actually looked at the numbers of black managers who actually want management roles? If that is a similar percentage, then surely the numbers are reflective of the market.