Wake up Fickle boneheads

[Brauny Blue]

You're totally missing the point. Success would be great, but all I want is to feel excited about watching my team again instead of thinking "I hope we don't look shite again today".

At the moment the team looks disinterested, there's no real passion or commitment from the players, we have players in positions they're not used to, we have tactics that are either non-existent or aren't being adhered to because I can't believe they've been told to play this way.

You have to have ambition, if you don't you have no progression, no development. I'm realistic; we won't get success overnight, and the work that's been done off the field is enough for me to think it's too early to have a change of manager, but without seeing any improvement on the pitch can you really blame people for saying something?

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Missing the point:icon_roll if your read my post you are repeating the things i've already said. There is plenty of condemnation of both players and manager on here but not many bright solutions on how to solve the problems other than sack the manager.I understand your point about lack of pride, but that is more the confidence factor. When a team is struggling players will offload the ball quicker and make mistakes because they don't want to be the villain in the side.
Like i said earlier too many people have been spoilt by the MON era . For those who look a little further back will see that between 1985-1991 we were awful. Also remember Forest departed with their manager half way through the season and still got relegated. So a change of manager at this stage is not a guarantee for us to shoot up the table. Anyway lets see how the mood changes if we beat Cov

 

[alex]

My goodness I remember those days Brauny, truly. However, once a side makes the steps Leicester City FC have over the past 1o years, while not a guarantee of success, should IMO stand us in better stead than when Brian Little took over.

No one wants CL to succeed more than me, on paper he has done everything right by clearing all the dead wood and injecting youth and wanting, but we are 18th and at times woeful which is a worry.

One of the points of a fantastic forum such as this is to be able to express concerns at whatever stage; I don't like booing at the walkers too early doors, but you pay your money, you get the right to express.

 

[Steven]

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Missing the point:icon_roll if your read my post you are repeating the things i've already said. There is plenty of condemnation of both players and manager on here but not many bright solutions on how to solve the problems other than sack the manager.I understand your point about lack of pride, but that is more the confidence factor. When a team is struggling players will offload the ball quicker and make mistakes because they don't want to be the villain in the side.
Like i said earlier too many people have been spoilt by the MON era . For those who look a little further back will see that between 1985-1991 we were awful. Also remember Forest departed with their manager half way through the season and still got relegated. So a change of manager at this stage is not a guarantee for us to shoot up the table. Anyway lets see how the mood changes if we beat Cov

Reminding me like that has set my therapy back months. :icon_conf :icon_sad:

 

[Brauny Blue]

My goodness I remember those days Brauny, truly. However, once a side makes the steps Leicester City FC have over the past 1o years, while not a guarantee of success, should IMO stand us in better stead than when Brian Little took over.

No one wants CL to succeed more than me, on paper he has done everything right by clearing all the dead wood and injecting youth and wanting, but we are 18th and at times woeful which is a worry.

One of the points of a fantastic forum such as this is to be able to express concerns at whatever stage; I don't like booing at the walkers too early doors, but you pay your money, you get the right to express.[/quote]

Yes absolutely right.
What confuses me though is that we are only 2 or 3 straight wins away from everyone having a totally different attitude towards it all.

 

[Leesoh]

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Missing the point:icon_roll if your read my post you are repeating the things i've already said. There is plenty of condemnation of both players and manager on here but not many bright solutions on how to solve the problems other than sack the manager.I understand your point about lack of pride, but that is more the confidence factor. When a team is struggling players will offload the ball quicker and make mistakes because they don't want to be the villain in the side.
Like i said earlier too many people have been spoilt by the MON era . For those who look a little further back will see that between 1985-1991 we were awful. Also remember Forest departed with their manager half way through the season and still got relegated. So a change of manager at this stage is not a guarantee for us to shoot up the table. Anyway lets see how the mood changes if we beat Cov

It's just annoying me that some people, not just on this forum, refuse to accept any criticism of the team or the management, even if it is constructive.

It feels like you're being lumped into the same category as those who act first and think later, just for asking the questions.

 

[Cate Fox]

thought this was interesting....

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[Polar Bear]

Quote - "My goodness I remember those days Brauny, truly. However, once a side makes the steps Leicester City FC have over the past 1o years, while not a guarantee of success, should IMO stand us in better stead than when Brian Little took over."

But didn't the Elsom/Taylor folly and subsequent admin put paid to all that progress (financially speaking) except for having the shiny, quiet new stadium (y'know, I'm sure it wasn't THAT quiet the season we went up...hmmm, connection?!)? It didn't take Sheff Wed long to sink from Prem stalwarts to iffy strugglers did it... or Derby or Cov?

It sounds weird but I think it's not quite true to say CL's had a year - he's had two half-seasons which in terms of sorting a team out is very different. If we're anchored in the bottom three in mid-January I might change my mind, but the current management have to be given the season to show what they're made of, surely. We are one of a great number of mediocre outfits - there's little or no joy (though last Saturday was fun) but we're not clear strugglers, and panic buttons should remain firmly unpressed.

For what it's worth, I think the critical voices on here seem to back their opinions up better than others I have seen/heard, and I'm always happy to read constructive views that differ from mine. I'm just worried a 'Craig Out' thing will start, have an effect and we'll end up with some utter hasbeen/neverwas like John Gregory. And then follow Forest into wherever that place is.

 

[Durham Fox]

Quote - "My goodness I remember those days Brauny, truly. However, once a side makes the steps Leicester City FC have over the past 1o years, while not a guarantee of success, should IMO stand us in better stead than when Brian Little took over."

But didn't the Elsom/Taylor folly and subsequent admin put paid to all that progress (financially speaking) except for having the shiny, quiet new stadium (y'know, I'm sure it wasn't THAT quiet the season we went up...hmmm, connection?!)? It didn't take Sheff Wed long to sink from Prem stalwarts to iffy strugglers did it... or Derby or Cov?

It sounds weird but I think it's not quite true to say CL's had a year - he's had two half-seasons which in terms of sorting a team out is very different. If we're anchored in the bottom three in mid-January I might change my mind, but the current management have to be given the season to show what they're made of, surely. We are one of a great number of mediocre outfits - there's little or no joy (though last Saturday was fun) but we're not clear strugglers, and panic buttons should remain firmly unpressed.

For what it's worth, I think the critical voices on here seem to back their opinions up better than others I have seen/heard, and I'm always happy to read constructive views that differ from mine. I'm just worried a 'Craig Out' thing will start, have an effect and we'll end up with some utter hasbeen/neverwas like John Gregory. And then follow Forest into wherever that place is.

We are 4 poor results away from this.

 

[Polar Bear]

But if the club sacks a manager after a year, when he's been expressly employed on a three, three-and-a-half year plan, no-one with any wit is gonna come running for the job are they? I do take your point that a bad performance and result Sunday will increase the pressure massively, but I cannot see, say, Mike Newell (who I've seen mentioned as a saviour) thinking "Yeah, that looks a better bet than where I am now." Our only hope would be Brentford going into admin...

 

[Durham Fox]

But if the club sacks a manager after a year, when he's been expressly employed on a three, three-and-a-half year plan, no-one with any wit is gonna come running for the job are they? I do take your point that a bad performance and result Sunday will increase the pressure massively, but I cannot see, say, Mike Newell (who I've seen mentioned as a saviour) thinking "Yeah, that looks a better bet than where I am now." Our only hope would be Brentford going into admin...

But where does this blind faith end? My point is that everbody seems to be saying 'give him the rest of the season' etc etc. Which is fine if they really stick to this, NO MATTER WHAT. Like many people, you seem to have a caviat to this mentality which stipulates a get out at Xmas/Jan should things not be going well. I really think he has the season or he doesn't, no get out clauses - which is it?

 

[Durham Fox]

Delayed Fickle Bonehead Syndrome presumably???

 

[highland fox]

The season for me DF,I have never said any different to be fair.

 

[Durham Fox]

The season for me DF,I have never said any different to be fair.

You havent HF, to be fair - will you change your mind though if we are bottom 3 at Xmas or before?

 

[Polar Bear]

It's not blind faith Durham, it's my reasoned analysis of the situation as it stands. And the reason there's a caveat is that the situation may get a lot worse between now and the end of the season - in which case the emphasis changes to firefighting, and the manager may well have lost his remaining credibility. The situation would have changed, and so would the best approach to it.

 

[Durham Fox]

We are 4-6 poor results away from firefighting. For me it's too late then, I am not saying its then irreversable but it might be. Sunday is the day for me, biggest game in Craig Leveins career by a country mile!

 

[highland fox]

You havent HF, to be fair - will you change your mind though if we are bottom 3 at Xmas or before?

I really don't believe we will be,we will just have to wait and see.If we starting picking up and finish Top 10 will you change yours?

 

[Durham Fox]

I really don't believe we will be,we will just have to wait and see.If we starting picking up and finish Top 10 will you change yours?

Do you really think that will happen?? is there even the slightest of chances??? However should that be the case I will be content with the progress.

 

[alex]

A top 10 finish would make me happy (ish)...

 

[Cate Fox]

but surely we are only 2-3 wins away from top 10?? The glass is always half full....

 

[Willlow]

but surely we are only 2-3 wins away from top 10?? The glass is always half full....

The problem is the majority of people on this forum believe it to be always half empty. I always say it depends on whos buying! :icon_lol: