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[Hazzman]

I suspect they may have been an incident before but given the track record of the bloke I'll assume it wasn't worth of the ''punishment'' which the copper dealt out. Only in extreme cases, should a copper feel the need to use that force. ie. In threat of his own life.

 

[camberwell fox]

I suspect t
hey may have been an incident before but given the track record of the bloke I'll assume it wasn't worth of the ''punishment'' which the copper dealt out. Only in extreme cases, should a copper feel the need to use that force. ie. In threat of his own life.

Sorry I don't know what you mean by previous track record?

Also what excessive force? Again based on a snapshot

 

[Macky]

Sorry I don't know what you mean by previous track record?

Also what excessive force? Again based on a snapshot

Are you seriously trying to say that excessive force wasn't used?

 

[WALSHIESTACKLE]

Re: Random News Article Thread

If you look at the video on this report you will see the copper push the guy that eventually died not long after from a heart attack. The way he pushes him is just the way the Police(well some of them) have pushed football fans around for years when they are trying to show who is boss. Usually it's the cocky fan out front trying to show off thats hes right hard that ends up getting pushed but that fan would usually be ready for it. This guy who is pushed here obviously is NOT ready for it and this shock may have been one of the causes of his ultimate heart attack.
http://news.aol.co.uk/met-chiefs-concern-at-g20-death/article/20090408050609990002


http://news.aol.co.uk/met-chiefs-concern-at-g20-death/article/20090408050609990002

If he hadn't been trying to be antagonistic then the twat would not have been pushed back. He was told to move in the first place. If he was in certain places in the world he would have been shot. Find it quite hard to feel sympathy.

 

[WALSHIESTACKLE]

He was fcuking about and got pushed in the back. He soon got up and made sure he left the police plenty of room. He didnt seem to be struggling then did he?

Any other country and he would have been battered with batons and then arrested. In this country we push him over and there is outrage.

I would be interested to hear who he worked for and where he worked. He didnt look like somebody who had just finished work.

What he said.

 

[Dour]

Sorry I don't know what you mean by previous track record?

Also what excessive force? Again based on a snapshot

It's a video.

Look, plod had been building this up as a major confrontation for months, which always drags out the worst kind of coppers. If it had kicked off big style, as they expected, some loser popping his clogs in the general mayhem would have gone unremarked. Since it didn't explode, this particular abuse of authority has just became more visible.

Whether that's an acceptable price to pay for a police force upholding particular values is an open question - and one which, to be honest, I'm ambivalent about. But to deny that it is an abuse is just stupid.

 

[Motown Fox]

Re: Random News Article Thread

The guy was trying to get home after work and he had been turned back by the police at other points in his attempts. He wasnt even involved with the protests although I admit there were some anachists using this protests just to stir up trouble he ceartainly wasnt one.

This report has now been heavily featured as the lead item on the main tv news and the police officers involved have now come forward.

 

[bocadillo]

The truth is no one knows what happened before or immediately after the snapshot so it's left to peoples prejudices as to what conclusion they draw and I know which one I draw...

Whatever happened immediately before the incident, the officer has no right in law to assault a person in this way. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, or what your arsehole looks like - he has no legal right to act as he did.

 

[Matt_B]

Whatever happened immediately before the incident, the officer has no right in law to assault a person in this way. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, or what your arsehole looks like - he has no legal right to act as he did.

Then they should try to do the policeman for the push and nothing more, turning this into a "the push killed him" argument as the news and some on here are is ridiculous IMO

 

[homer]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/09/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson-g201

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/.../5126578/G20-death-Ian-Tomlinson-profile.html

 

[Steven]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/09/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson-g201

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/.../5126578/G20-death-Ian-Tomlinson-profile.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...20-death-How-can-we-trust-the-police-now.html

It is alright homer this guy is a piece of trash so killing him doesn't count. :icon_wink

 

[Willlow]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/09/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson-g201

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/.../5126578/G20-death-Ian-Tomlinson-profile.html

Just forgetting the incident for a second, what a joke of an article from The Telegraph. They really have done there best to try and make this alcoholic tramp a model citizen. :icon_roll

"The marriage came under strain as his fondness for alcohol developed into a serious problem."

"They recalled how he had the names of all nine children tattooed on his fingers."

"I remember two days before his death we were talking about our lives. He told me not to make the same mistakes he had. Then I heard the news."

"His last words to me were: 'see you tomorrow Barry, if I'm still living and breathing'.

"It tears me apart thinking about that now."

 

[Willlow]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...20-death-How-can-we-trust-the-police-now.html

It is alright homer this guy is a piece of trash so killing him doesn't count. :icon_wink

So you believe the push did kill him then?

 

[Lako42]

So you believe the push did kill him then?

Do you know that it didn't?

 

[camberwell fox]

Do you know that it didn't?

And you KNOW that it did?

FFS!

 

[Willlow]

Do you know that it didn't?

Yes, he got up and walked away.

The push might have contributed to it but it didnt kill him. Being moved by the police because they were having missiles thrown at them could have contributed. Being an alcoholic homeless tramp could have contributed.

Criminal charges have been brought against the policemen so that's good news anyway :icon_roll

 

[Lako42]

And you KNOW that it did?

FFS!

:icon_lol: Lovely, I knew one of you would fall into that little trap.

I know the same as you, which totals **** ALL, and I would hazard a guess that this is why an investigation has been launched, If they find that it was linked then thats that, If not then I imagine the lovely copper will carry on with his humane duties, either way an investigation has been launched because the law MAY have been broken, what is your problem with this.


I cannot work out what you are arguing against, and im not sure you do either.

 

[bocadillo]

Then they should try to do the policeman for the push and nothing more, turning this into a "the push killed him" argument as the news and some on here are is ridiculous IMO

Even if we presume there was no intention to kill (as I am sure there wasn't), if the evidence is that the death occurred as a result of the push, the charge would still be one of manslaughter. And don't forget that there is now clear evidence that the same officer struck him with his baton immediately before the push.

In fact let's stop calling this 'just a push and nothing more'. There was a full force baton strike by a masked man on the back of the legs of an unarmed opponent. There immediately followed a hefty push in the back, which was so forceful that the person was lifted from his feet and forced to the ground. The assailant then readjusted his mask which had slipped slightly during the incident and walked away. Doesn't sound like the conduct of an innocent person, does it?

 

[camberwell fox]

:icon_lol: Lovely, I knew one of you would fall into that little trap.

I know the same as you, which totals **** ALL, and I would hazard a guess that this is why an investigation has been launched, If they find that it was linked then thats that, If not then I imagine the lovely copper will carry on with his humane duties, either way an investigation has been launched because the law MAY have been broken, what is your problem with this.


I cannot work out what you are arguing against, and im not sure you do either.

Clearly my argument is too complicated for you.

If you are STILL in any doubt as to my argument please refer to my very first post.

 

[Willlow]

:icon_lol: Lovely, I knew one of you would fall into that little trap.

I know the same as you, which totals **** ALL, and I would hazard a guess that this is why an investigation has been launched, If they find that it was linked then thats that, If not then I imagine the lovely copper will carry on with his humane duties, either way an investigation has been launched because the law MAY have been broken, what is your problem with this.


I cannot work out what you are arguing against, and im not sure you do either.

Personally I'm arguing about the continued negative press the police receive based on video snippets that dont reveal the whole story.

The police had to spend two days dealing with protestors some of whom were continously breaking the law. A policemen PUSHES OVER a believed protestor (The Telegraph Reports that even protestors thought he was a protestor) because he wasnt doing what the other protestors had no problem in doing. This man then dies of a heart attack and gives the media the chance to paint the police once again as "thugs in uniform".