Capello resigns

[Miles Away]

Not arguing that John Terry is a certified wanker, but Capello has basically stood up for his principles and his belief that until a man is proven guilty, he is innocent. Can't argue with that.

I hear ya.

 

[Miles Away]

Not very good? In competitive games his record is P19 W13 D5 L1. The one that was lost there was a disgraceful decision that didn't go England's way.

The performances at the world cup were shambolic.

You aren't including penalty shootouts either.

I'll say this, he did seem to be shedding some of the deadwood in the squad and going for younger players which was encouraging.

It's a very difficult job, but I never rated what Capello did with it.

 

[Matt_B]

Apparently Fabio has created a furore in several of his previous posts when he wanted out, trying to get sacked. He will go to Real or one of the other big clubs looking for a manager this summer now that he is free.

 

[Han]

That's the thing though, it isn't as cut and dry as that. As someone who has studied linguistics, I know that you can't simply take a word from one language or culture and directly translate it. Suarrez said yes I called him black but I said it in the same way that I would call black friends, as a term of endearment. The FA used the fact that they were in a dispute and arguing as evidence that he used it as racial abuse, but the crux of the argument came afterward and throughout Suarrez isn't scowling or showing any signs of aggression with the way he talks. It's all very laid back on his part. He refutes saying what is Evra claims he said.

Like I said it's not cut and dry and for the FA to act on it without any proper evidence was ridiculous. They made him into a scapegoat and were quick to label him as a racist without any proof of guilt. Why then should Terry be treated differently to him when his case has more documentable evidence to it, less ambiguity regarding meaning and intent? In my opinion action shouldn't have been taken on either until they were proven guilty but when they neglected to offer that to Suarrez, they then have to follow the same procedure for everyone else and in my opinion losing the Captaincy is getting off lightly still

"I'm allowed to call you a **** because that's what I call my friends" is not a defence. He wasn't talking to a friend. He was talking to someone from a different culture altogether in a language I don't expect he is fluent in.

If I find offence in something that someone says to me in a different language, even if I misinterpret, I have every right to question it.

 

[Brown Nose]

1. Cancel friendly with Holland. Will only do harm.
2. Under no circumstances allow any temporary/caretaker nonsense.
2. On 1st March, appoint Redknapp and say he'll take over full time at the end of the Prem season.
3. At end of season, Redknapp has two friendlies, then Euros.


What's the problem?

 

[Jeff]

1. Cancel friendly with Holland. Will only do harm.

What harm will it do?

 

[Brown Nose]

What harm will it do?

No proper manager, focus on Terry and players not being settled and happy. Who will manage them, who will be captain, etc. Holland likely to win and put pressure on further. Especially if some idiot like Pearce takes charge. It just won't help so we should cancel the game and take the opportunity for snowballing negativity away.

 

[Jeff]

No proper manager

Players are used to playing for caretaker managers.

focus on Terry

The focus will be on Terry until after the Euros, so this match won't make any difference.

players not being settled and happy.

Many of them were already unsettled and unhappy. Maybe a change of manager, even if it's a caretaker, will do some good. We see that in club football.

Holland likely to win and put pressure on further.

England might win and ease the pressure.

 

[gregs_y2k]

"I'm allowed to call you a **** because that's what I call my friends" is not a defence. He wasn't talking to a friend. He was talking to someone from a different culture altogether in a language I don't expect he is fluent in.

If I find offence in something that someone says to me in a different language, even if I misinterpret, I have every right to question it.

This is the common misunderstanding when dealing with linguistics. People automatically transfer the negative connotations of a word in one culture straight onto it's direct translation, despite the fact that it often carries different weight in meaning and may or may not be as culturally loaded as it direct translation. It's quite interesting that none of the South American players at Man Utd have spoken up against Suarrez throughout his case and in Hernandez's case he's actually used the same term at least on one occasion to a team mate before playing at Man Utd and it was not deemed offensive.

He was talking in his own language. They may not be the closest of friends, but prior to this you're assuming that Suarrez considered him an enemy. Players can have friendly rivalries even at clubs with bitter rivalries such as Liverpool and Man Utd. If you look at the video footage of the incident Suarrez's body language indicaes he is not talking in a threatening or abusive manner and if anything he looks to be trying to diffuse the situation.

The fact that it may have been misinterpreted is an issue and this is where the whole thing gets murky, but Suarrez has agreed never to use the term again whilst playing. Some can argue that he was naive to use that word in this country but when we go abroad do we know the ins and outs of everything that is deemed offensive to that culture? no, do we care? more often than not, the answer is also no.

 

[indierich06]

I hope whoever gets the job will shake things up a bit, there are a few players who certainly need to be dropped and a few young players who need to be brought in.

Germany had it right at the World Cup in 2010 when their squad was a mix of exciting young players and established, experienced pros.

It'll never happen in a million years, but I'd love it if we gave this side a go in the Euros:

Hart
Richards - Jones - Cahill - Cole
Walcott - Parker - Wilshere - Oxlade-Chamberlain
Rooney - Sturridge

There's still a fair bit of experience in there with Rooney, Parker and Cole in the side, but there is a lot of exciting, young talent too. I get that Wilshere probably won't be fit in time.

I'd still probably bring Gerrard, Terry and Lampard, but to be honest they're past playing an important role in the England side. I'd love to see us go absolutely guns blazing at every side in the tournament - for me the most disappointing thing about the last World Cup wasn't the elimination, it was the manner of it.

 

[bocadillo]

Apparently Fabio has created a furore in several of his previous posts when he wanted out, trying to get sacked. He will go to Real or one of the other big clubs looking for a manager this summer now that he is free.

His contract was in any case due to expire in the summer; it was already clear that he would be leaving the job then.

 

[gregs_y2k]

for me the most disappointing thing about the last World Cup wasn't the elimination, it was the manner of it.

Completely agree.

 

[gregs_y2k]

His contract was in any case due to expire in the summer; it was already clear that he would be leaving the job then.

Yes but leaving now means that he doesn't have the possibility of a second poor performance at a major championship blighting his CV and possibly threatening his ability to get another big job.

 

[bocadillo]

Yes but leaving now means that he doesn't have the possibility of a second poor performance at a major championship blighting his CV and possibly threatening his ability to get another big job.

That may be true but it is irrelevant to the point that I was countering.

 

[Kettering Pete]

The decision on who should be captain is the manager's to make. Not The FA. He had every right to be pissed off. Also, Terry has not been found guilty of racial abuse. I don't like the guy but it is a little harsh to strip him of the opportunity to lead out his country for what will be his last major tournament based on an ALLEGATION. It's a soft decision too. Either boot him out completely or let him keep the captaincy. The current situation can't be good for him or the rest of the squad and may just be an attempt to make him retire.

Couldn't agree more - The FA are a complete shambles

 

[Real Sharapova]

Like I said it's not cut and dry and for the FA to act on it without any proper evidence was ridiculous. They made him into a scapegoat and were quick to label him as a racist without any proof of guilt.

It's a much repeated mistake that the FA found Suarez guilty of being a racist. They didn't. He was found guilty of using racist language. For those feeling the need for some bedtime reading, I can heartily recommend the whole 115 pages of the FA report. It is exhaustive and to my eyes at least, fair and balanced, and the result is correct.

 

[OldGit]

Well..... if you're going to be factual about it what are you doing here?

 

[Real Sharapova]

Well..... if you're going to be factual about it what are you doing here?

Sorry, hit the wrong site. Won't do it again.:icon_bigg

 

[Redditch Fox]

Capello has managed this situation. He wanted out before the Euros and has played the FA like a piano.

 

[spionfox]

It's been far less of a sensationalist case than the Suarrez affair. The FA tied their own hands with their handling of that and there had to act in some way on the Terry case. If they had let it go, then what type of message does that send? That if you're an England player, it can all be swept under the carpet?

I wasn't actually referring to the (alleged) nasty character of Terry when I remarked on how the media had sensationalised. I meant the media had sensationalised the fact that Capello objected to the FA decision.