Fryatt To Hull

[lanxfox jnr]

Possibly Fryatt needs to have broader shoulders, he's not always going to get the Manager's arm around him to give him the confidence he needs.

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[Jeff]

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I don't get the joke :icon_conf

 

[FryattFox]

I don't get the joke :icon_conf

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[pork pie fox]

I don't get the joke :icon_conf

Thought maybe I was missing something obvious, thanks for confirming I wasn't

Edit - note to self, just use thanks function to save typing

 

[spionfox]

Possibly Fryatt needs to have broader shoulders, he's not always going to get the Manager's arm around him to give him the confidence he needs.

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I don't get the joke :icon_conf

If his shoulders are too broad maybe the Manager won't be able to get his arms around him

 

[Mawsley]

Fryatt scored goals in the Championship when he first arrived and was partly responsible for saving us from a relegation that seemed inevitable.
His second season he suffered from a long injury.
In the season of Four Managers he was treated despicably by Martin Allen and neither Megson or Holloway seemed able to restore his confidence.
Pearson made it clear that he thought Fryatt was better than DJ and he was regular first choice. He flourished not only in League One but last year in the Championship.
Fryatt does seem to have confidence problems. For whatever reason his game suffered more than most under Sousa and he needs time and good management to bring him back to form.

I leave Vassall out of my comments since I have not seem him enough to judge but with all due respect to the qood qualities of Howard and Waghorn they are not natural goal scorers. Matty Fryatt is the only natural goal scorer we have got.

You can come up with any excuse you want - but stats are stats and they scream that he is not a "natural goalscorer" at this level. You cite last season but he only pulled 13 goals from 35 outings. That's feeble for a striker who isn't creating opportunities for others.

The stats say he can not hack the physicality of this league or the unpredictable nature of management. Sell.

 

[David Gwilliam]

You can come up with any excuse you want - but stats are stats and they scream that he is not a "natural goalscorer" at this level. You cite last season but he only pulled 13 goals from 35 outings. That's feeble for a striker who isn't creating opportunities for others.

The stats say he can not hack the physicality of this league or the unpredictable nature of management. Sell.

It seems to me there are two issues here - the value of the statistics and the definition of a natural goalscorer.

I have always enjoyed the phrase: "There are lies, there are damned lies and there are statistics."
The Championship may be more physical than League One though that is not a difference I have noticed. You may be right about Fryatt not liking the physicality though I am not sure how you read that from the statistics.
Probably he has found the unpredictable nature of management difficult though he is not the only one. Again I do not feel the statistics prove that. I do hope that someone - and not Sven - will sit down and have a talk and more importantly a listen to Matty, Morrison and Hobbs. I believe they are all three good players who have got it wrong this season.

Perhaps I should define "natural goalscorer". Howard and Waghorn see a chance and try to take it. With a natural goalscorer the ball is in the net before they have consciously seen it. There is a comparison with boxing in that if the conscious mind sees a punch coming it is too late to block it. I believe sports scientists call this muscle memory though I may have misunderstood them.

The obvious examples of a natural goalscorer are Jimmy Greaves, Denis Law, Kenny Dalglish and Gary Lineker. Obviously I am not suggesting that Fryatt is in their class. The goals of a natural goalscorer are often close range and purely instinctive. The ball is in the net before the scorer has realised there is a chance.

You can be a great goalscorer without being a natural goalscorer. An obvious example is Bobby Charlton. Gary Lineker once compared himself with Bobby Charlton by saying that Charlton's goals were great goals where his were not. He was right Charlton's goals were deliberate and wonderful - very few were snapped up chances in the penalty area.

Matty Fryatt misses chances. These in my observation come when they are obvious. When he has time to think he does not do as well. If a player is one on one with a goalkeeper I would rather have Waghorn. If a ball is bobbing about in the penalty area I would rather have Fryatt.

 

[Han]

Isn't creating opportunities for other? Are you having a laugh? Show us the assist stats compared to the rest of the squad.

Fryatt has undeniable quality. Before his injury last year he was our one and only consistent goal threat. He is still the only striker in our side capable of creating goal scoring opportunities BY HIMSELF. He is the only all round strikerthat we have and the sooner Sven can get his head in the right place the sooner he can start banging in the goals again.

 

[Han]

In case it wasn't obvious, I think selling fryatt would be a big mistake.

 

[Steven]

Looking at the stats I would say that he is a one in threeish scorer in either League. That said it is then a judgement as to whether that is good enough or not?

 

[Mawsley]

I have always enjoyed the phrase: "There are lies, there are damned lies and there are statistics."

Somehow I knew you'd object to stats simply because they are stats.

Let's not call them stats then - let's call them facts. The fact is that his strike rate over all his seasons at Championship level is not good enough.

I thought he'd turned a corner in his development when we dropped a flight but he hasn't.

To my mind we should be playing strikers who can perform a division above where we are, not a flight below.

 

[Han]

Somehow I knew you'd object to stats simply because they are stats.

Let's not call them stats then - let's call them facts. The fact is that his strike rate over all his seasons at Championship level is not good enough.

I thought he'd turned a corner in his development when we dropped a flight but he hasn't.

To my mind we should be playing strikers who can perform a division above where we are, not a flight below.

So which of our strikers come anywhere near Fryatt's record?

 

[Han]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/squad?teamId=375&cat=goalAssists&season=2009&leagueId=0&cc=5739

League record last season :

Top Goalscorers
Fryatt 12 (27 starts, 4 as sub)
Waghorn 12 (28, 17)

Top Assists
Howard 5 (18 starts, 19 as sub)
Fryatt 5 (27, 4)
Gallagher 5 (33, 10)
Wellens 5 (43, 0)


2008/09 (League One) Season:

Top Scorers:
Fryatt 27 (46 Starts, 0 as sub)
Howard 13 (40, 1)

Top Assists:
Howard 14 (40, 1)
Dyer 9 (43, 1)
Fryatt 8 (46)


That Fryatt, he barely scores and barely creates chances. Sell him NOW!!

 

[Hazzman]

He's the best we've got on paper. Simple as, an average Championship striker. Exactly what we are.

 

[Han]

I'll take that as agreement :icon_lol:

 

[TommyK]

He's the best we've got on paper. Simple as, an average Championship striker. Exactly what we are.

We're a average Championship striker?? :icon_eek:

 

[escos66]

Stringer on twitter reckons Fryatt will be gone tomorrow and forest are interested! Also says fryatt wants a permanent move!

 

[Nottingham Fox]

Stringer on twitter reckons Fryatt will be gone tomorrow and forest are interested! Also says fryatt wants a permanent move!

Scooooooooooooooooooop

 

[escos66]

Stringer on twitter reckons Fryatt will be gone tomorrow and forest are interested! Also says fryatt wants a permanent move!

Sorry only just noticed Beighton had already posted this in another thread.

 

[escos66]

Scooooooooooooooooooop

Why you shit on the floor again?? I'll just fetch it!