Lineker v The BBC

[fox58]

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Whether you agree with what Lineker said or not you cannot dispute that he did not mention the Nazis. You have a big red ring around some of his words and I can’t see the word Nazis. If that suits your agenda, then nothing anyone says will change your mind anyway.

 

[FOX Franks]

is your patience telling someone to **** off? Telling someone to **** off is unreasonable, I am not playing the victim I put forward a point of view which was obviously counter to yours, your immediate response was to hurl pejoratives.

I notice, however, you’ve ignored my calm, reasoned post.

 

[Miles Away]

I mean, they are a bit “fascy”, aren’t they?

I mean not quite GOP fascy, but in the neighborhood.

 

[tedfoxxx]

There was a lot more going on in Germany in the 1930’s than just Nazism and the Nazi party.

That’s why he said it. It’s on the reader if they hear ‘1930’s Germany’ and immediately, like Father Jack, shout ‘NAZI! HITLER! AUSCHWITZ!!!!’

And let’s not hide behind debates about employment law and BBC policy because that’s really not what’s for sale here.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

 

[popillius]

what a thoughtful and articulate gentleman you are thank you for your insightful repreply

For the sake of balance I'd like to add my tuppence worth to this discussion:

You really should **** off.

 

[big_mac4824]

Whether you agree with what Lineker said or not you cannot dispute that he did not mention the Nazis. You have a big red ring around some of his words and I can’t see the word Nazis. If that suits your agenda, then nothing anyone says will change your mind anyway.

Right this is for both you and Homer. I do not have an agenda. Gary Lineker said and I quote " In language that is not dissimilar to that used in Germany in the 1930's, and I am out of order?"

What do you think Lineker was referring to here, I wonder if you asked a person in the street what imagery would it evoke if you asked them what 1930's Germany meant?

Lineker knows dam well what he is saying when he mentioned 1930's Germany and to suggest otherwise is Churlish at best.

 

[taupe]

It’s on the reader if they hear ‘1930’s Germany’ and immediately, like Father Jack, shout ‘NAZI! HITLER! AUSCHWITZ!!!!’

Oh indeed. Absolutely. Predictable too. It is kind of dangling it out there even if you don't intend it, and I don't think Lineker is naive. I think a degree of furore (not fuhrer!) was foreseeable and, I personally believe anyway, would have been avoided by choosing other wording. That is, if one really doesn't want that association to be made.

But I'm not critical of him saying what he said, nor his right to have a personal opinion that is clearly distinct from that of the BBC's aimed-for impartiality. I'm just (needlessly) quibbling over the words he chose to make his point. It's what I do.

 

[big_mac4824]

I think we can agree that however arguably/demonstrably correct 'language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s' may or may not be, it is certainly a statement that would provoke and inevitably lead many to thoughts of Nazis & the holocaust. Lineker was naive if he thought that wouldn't happen, so for that reason alone it probably wasn't the wisest of analogies to use. That said, I'd defend his right to use it.

totally concur

 

[Bezu Fache Fox]

For the sake of balance I'd like to add my tuppence worth to this discussion:

You really should **** off.

Wow.

 

[jb5000]

No **** off

Seriously, this is the only reasonable reply to that request.

 

[Lako42]

What do you think Lineker was referring to here,

1930s Germany

 

[Jeff]

So, to summarise the last few days, for those who have not been paying attention:


Gary Lineker tweeted to say Brendan Rodgers is a nazi. The BBC responded by telling Rodgers there's a job on MOTD for him if he wants to replace Lineker.

Jermaine Jenas came out in support of Lineker and said he refuses to do any more work for the BBC. Everyone cheered.

Alan Young posted on MySpace to ask why there wasn't the same reaction when Radio Leicester dropped him from the commentary team.

Peter Shilton told everyone in his local bookie's that Lineker is a woke snowflake avocado eating Trotskyite, and Goering would be able to sort our defence out.


We lost again. BR is still in charge.

 

[FOX Franks]

Right this is for both you and Homer. I do not have an agenda. Gary Lineker said and I quote " In language that is not dissimilar to that used in Germany in the 1930's, and I am out of order?"

What do you think Lineker was referring to here, I wonder if you asked a person in the street what imagery would it evoke if you asked them what 1930's Germany meant?

Lineker knows dam well what he is saying when he mentioned 1930's Germany and to suggest otherwise is Churlish at best.

Hiya, can you reply to mine, or are you just choosing ones that you can think of a response to? Xx

 

[taupe]

and Goering would be able to sort our defence out.

Has a point there tbf

 

[Miles Away]

So, to summarise the last few days, for those who have not been paying attention:

BR is still in charge.

The most inexplicable part of it all.

 

[popillius]

Wow.

You can join the **** should you wish to.

 

[Volpone]

I'm fed up with the sanctimonious, smug git and all the wailing and weeping over the martyrdom of St Gary.

 

[tedfoxxx]

I'm fed up with the sanctimonious, smug git and all the wailing and weeping over the martyrdom of St Gary.

Good, ignore it then. No one is making you read his tweets or any of this.

 

[Brown Nose]

https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/01/sealioning/

I'd never heard of this expression. Whilst I do appreciate that sometimes people will deliberately be obtuse, I hate the idea of refusing to explain/debate because of an assumption of it. That's the sort of thing that went on in 1930s Germany.

 

[popillius]

I'm fed up with the sanctimonious, smug git and all the wailing and weeping over the martyrdom of St Gary.

What would Jesus think?