Pearson to Hull

[jb5000]

Well I hope he doesn't go.

But if he does, for me, Lee Clark is the man to come in - has done a very good job at Huddersfield, good results on the pitch, lovely football, excellent development of youngsters and has the contacts to get youngsters from big clubs on loan. He's the kind of hungry young manager City have had the most success with in the past.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Have you not noticed the fact that football is bankrupt and apparently intent on eating itself?

Anybody within the game that doesn't understand or appreciate this is either very stupid - which I don't believe Nige to be - or very selfish IMO.

Leicester City has been around for more than 125 years but will take carefull financial management just to make it through the next few. Hull are in an even worse situation by all accounts. Any manager willing or indeed advocating the out-of-control and unsustainable spending by clubs, simply to further their own career, is an enemy of football as far as I'm concerned.

It's the chairman's decision to how much money he can spend, not the managers. Pearson is just trying to be successful in his career, nothing wrong with that. Hating Pearson for something like that is ridiculous.

 

[DesertFox]

It's the chairman's decision to how much money he can spend, not the managers. Pearson is just trying to be successful in his career, nothing wrong with that. Hating Pearson for something like that is ridiculous.

First of all, I'd like to point out that this isn't a knee jerk reaction to Nige (possibly) leaving Leicester. I had no complaints when MON left as he went to the club he supoorted as a boy. Unlike most people, I didn't have a problem with Little going to Villa either, which was the club he used to play for and clearly a step up.

I'll say it again. If he's going to Hull to "further his career" it can only be because they are willing to go even further into debt to promise him a bigger transfer kitty. It's not like Hull is even a sideways step in terms of the size of club, fan base, tradition, exposure, etc.

If that is the case (and it's all speculation at the moment) then he's apparently happy to leave Leicester because they aren't willing to go into further debt on his behalf, and join Hull, who apparently are, thus endangering the very existence of Hull City.

Let's say he does go, they spend a shit load of money and don't get promoted in the next two seasons. Hull will be in very serious danger of going out of business altogether.

How does that help anyone? Right now, football needs administrators and managers who live in the real world financially. I love Leicester City but I also love football, and things like this endanger the very existence of football clubs below the Premier League.

So it's not just Boooo! to Nigel Pearson if he leaves Leicester because they'r not willing to go into further debt, it's Boooo! to any other manager, player or anyone else in football who does the same thing. This game has been around for a long time but if the people involved don't get a massive dose of reality and see what's going on under their noses, we're on the way to losing it forever. Boooo! to that.

 

[Tamworth Fox]

 

[Profondo Rosso]

First of all, I'd like to point out that this isn't a knee jerk reaction to Nige (possibly) leaving Leicester. I had no complaints when MON left as he went to the club he supoorted as a boy. Unlike most people, I didn't have a problem with Little going to Villa either, which was the club he used to play for and clearly a step up.

I'll say it again. If he's going to Hull to "further his career" it can only be because they are willing to go even further into debt to promise him a bigger transfer kitty. It's not like Hull is even a sideways step in terms of the size of club, fan base, tradition, exposure, etc.

If that is the case (and it's all speculation at the moment) then he's apparently happy to leave Leicester because they aren't willing to go into further debt on his behalf, and join Hull, who apparently are, thus endangering the very existence of Hull City.

Let's say he does go, they spend a shit load of money and don't get promoted in the next two seasons. Hull will be in very serious danger of going out of business altogether.

How does that help anyone? Right now, football needs administrators and managers who live in the real world financially. I love Leicester City but I also love football, and things like this endanger the very existence of football clubs below the Premier League.

So it's not just Boooo! to Nigel Pearson if he leaves Leicester because they'r not willing to go into further debt, it's Boooo! to any other manager, player or anyone else in football who does the same thing. This game has been around for a long time but if the people involved don't get a massive dose of reality and see what's going on under their noses, we're on the way to losing it forever. Boooo! to that.

Firstly, there's been talk of a Hull takeover and talk of him not geting on with MM, so we don't know if that's the case at all.

Secondly, it's all well and good saying spending all this money will plunge Hull into debt if they don't go up within 2 years, but I'd imagine an ambitious manager like Nige, i.e. the same man who came out in the summer after promotion and said no fannying about with that consolidation crap, we're aiming strait for the play-offs, would take that challenge on.

Managers and chairman are only doing what they have to do for success and to survive. It's the Premier League, UEFA and Sky's fault for pumping so much money into the game, not the managers', clubs' and chairmen's themselves, if they didn't go along with the spending their club's may never see success again.

 

[Tamworth Fox]

If Pearson goes to Hull then I will never go to a game again whilst MM is chairman and I will protest MM leaves the club.

 

[Boy Genius]

He has gone!



Watch for the man at Swansea coming our way.

 

[Jeff]

It's the Premier League, UEFA and Sky's fault for pumping so much money into the game

It's the Premier League's fault for keeping as much of the money as they can get away with, rather than sharing it with clubs from lower down.

And it's the fault of chairmen for spending more than they can afford trying to get the Premier League money.

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

He has gone!



Watch for the man at Swansea coming our way.

Poalo Sousa ?? How definite is this ??

 

[Boy Genius]

Poalo Sousa How definite is this ??

pretty much I would say, but then funny things happen at our club!

 

[spionfox]

If Pearson goes to Hull then I will never go to a game again whilst MM is chairman and I will protest MM leaves the club.

Early contender for most tragic over-reaction of the close season so far.

 

[DesertFox]

Firstly, there's been talk of a Hull takeover and talk of him not geting on with MM, so we don't know if that's the case at all.

Secondly, it's all well and good saying spending all this money will plunge Hull into debt if they don't go up within 2 years, but I'd imagine an ambitious manager like Nige, i.e. the same man who came out in the summer after promotion and said no fannying about with that consolidation crap, we're aiming strait for the play-offs, would take that challenge on.

Managers and chairman are only doing what they have to do for success and to survive. It's the Premier League, UEFA and Sky's fault for pumping so much money into the game, not the managers', clubs' and chairmen's themselves, if they didn't go along with the spending their club's may never see success again.

So you see it similarly to the current financial mess the whole world is in right now - it's not the fault of the people that took out second mortgages and massive loans so that they could have the speedboat, it's all the fault of the banks for lending them the money and governments for not stopping the banks doing it. Nothing to do with the people who thought they deserved a speedboat because they earnt 25K a year but couldn't manage their own financial affairs.

Reckless spending will always end in tears. The rest of the world now realizes that, but football continues to live in a fantasy bubble. The sooner that bubble is popped, the more chance we have of clubs like Leicester existing in a few years time.

I've been able to look after myself during this recession because I have never lived beyond my means. But I'm being punished by paying higher taxes and having services cut because other people are greedy feckers who can't take responsibility for themselves and think (rightly it turns out) that someone else will always bail them out.

I stand by the point that anyone in football who "demands more" at this point in time is a selfish **** and an enemy of football. They are risking the existence of clubs that pay them so handsomely, and they are risking the jobs of the many people at those clubs that actually need the money, unlike the multi-millionaires that take these risks.

If Nige really was ambitious, he'd stay at Leicester and wheel and deal, proving what a good manager he is, not jump ship to the first tin pot club that makes big promises that, over time, they won't be able to keep.

 

[jb5000]

So you see it similarly to the current financial mess the whole world is in right now - it's not the fault of the people that took out second mortgages and massive loans so that they could have the speedboat, it's all the fault of the banks for lending them the money and governments for not stopping the banks doing it. Nothing to do with the people who thought they deserved a speedboat because they earnt 25K a year but couldn't manage their own financial affairs.

Reckless spending will always end in tears. The rest of the world now realizes that, but football continues to live in a fantasy bubble. The sooner that bubble is popped, the more chance we have of clubs like Leicester existing in a few years time.

I've been able to look after myself during this recession because I have never lived beyond my means. But I'm being punished by paying higher taxes and having services cut because other people are greedy feckers who can't take responsibility for themselves and think (rightly it turns out) that someone else will always bail them out.

I stand by the point that anyone in football who "demands more" at this point in time is a selfish **** and an enemy of football. They are risking the existence of clubs that pay them so handsomely, and they are risking the jobs of the many people at those clubs that actually need the money, unlike the multi-millionaires that take these risks.

If Nige really was ambitious, he'd stay at Leicester and wheel and deal, proving what a good manager he is, not jump ship to the first tin pot club that makes big promises that, over time, they won't be able to keep.

I agree with you. Having said that, there is so very much wrong with football that it'll take a lot more than Pearson or Mandaric to fix, so I can't really blame him if this would make his life easier - either through a better working environment or a bigger paycheck. Pearson is certainly a good manager, but I'd be hard pressed to say he's great - if he goes, he goes and we all move on.

 

[fitz]

If he goes I do hope he is honest about his reasons. I don't think I could cope with "Hull are a big club" sort of shite, would laugh myself to death.

 

[SwedeFox]

Well that´s a bit shit.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

So you see it similarly to the current financial mess the whole world is in right now - it's not the fault of the people that took out second mortgages and massive loans so that they could have the speedboat, it's all the fault of the banks for lending them the money and governments for not stopping the banks doing it. Nothing to do with the people who thought they deserved a speedboat because they earnt 25K a year but couldn't manage their own financial affairs.

Reckless spending will always end in tears. The rest of the world now realizes that, but football continues to live in a fantasy bubble. The sooner that bubble is popped, the more chance we have of clubs like Leicester existing in a few years time.

I've been able to look after myself during this recession because I have never lived beyond my means. But I'm being punished by paying higher taxes and having services cut because other people are greedy feckers who can't take responsibility for themselves and think (rightly it turns out) that someone else will always bail them out.

I stand by the point that anyone in football who "demands more" at this point in time is a selfish **** and an enemy of football. They are risking the existence of clubs that pay them so handsomely, and they are risking the jobs of the many people at those clubs that actually need the money, unlike the multi-millionaires that take these risks.

If Nige really was ambitious, he'd stay at Leicester and wheel and deal, proving what a good manager he is, not jump ship to the first tin pot club that makes big promises that, over time, they won't be able to keep.

Yes, that's all well and good, but we don't know if that is the reason why he's leaving, we don't know that he's demanding more. There's been talk of both a Hull takeover and a fall out with MM.

And how do you know they won't be able to keep those promises? If Pearson gets them up they certainly will.

Of course, if he's ambitious he wants to reach the top of the game, if he feels he has more chance of doing that with Hull, than Leicester, then that's that. Good luck to him. I hope he is really successful there.

 

[DesertFox]

Sorry, not wanting to belabour the point, but...

Firstly, there's been talk of a Hull takeover and talk of him not geting on with MM, so we don't know if that's the case at all.

Someone is going to come in and pump 35m of their own money into paying off Hull's debts? No they're not, someone is going to come in, "refinance" and hope to feck they get the pot of gold in the Premier League. Classic boom and bust speculation.

Secondly, it's all well and good saying spending all this money will plunge Hull into debt if they don't go up within 2 years

Hull are already in MASSIVE debt. The scenario was that they spend even more and end up going out of business forever. It's way more serious than "racking up a bit more debt".

Managers and chairman are only doing what they have to do for success and to survive.

You might want to look up the word "survive" and for that matter, "have". I see it as: Managers and chairmen are only doing what they WANT to do for personal success and glory, and hopefully all the little people will SURVIVE if/when we go out of business.

I am probably coming across as a right cock, and I apologize for that, but the greed in football is killing the game as we know it and it has to stop, now!

 

[PFKAKTF FOX]

If he goes he goes, regardless of reasons or justification the truth is he no longer wants to be here. Part of that will be his relationship with Mandaric, part of it may be down to budget restrictions and IMO the Wayne Brown saga will have played a part as well.

We have to dust ourselves off and hope the club make the right decisions and selections and bring in a Manager who can build on the excellent foundations Pearson has built and take the club to the next level.

However Pearson leaves the club, I will bear no ill feeling, yes I am disappointed but I am also a realist we are skint and perhaps Pearson, knowing the budgetry constraints realises that last sseason was our best opportunity to go up. It has been an appointment that has worked wonders for both sides and been a thoroughly enjoyable and successful two years, but life goes on. Onwards and upwards

 

[Profondo Rosso]

DesertFox - How do you know that someone is just going to come in and just go for boom and bust and not try to pay off their debts?

Yes, money atm in football is way out of control, but to hate Pearson for this just seems silly to me. Have to agree with PFK, we ourselves are skint, he wants to further his career and he thinks he has more chance of doing that at Hull than with us. Whether his intentions to leave are honourable or not he's completely revitalised our club and hopefully we can build from here. I'll always remember his 2 seasons here with a fondness.

 

[MHS]

I hope this isn't true - but it isn't the end of the day if it is.

I wish Nigel all the best.