Racist Chanting

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Jesus H Christ, are you lot so thin skinned that you go all girly and run to the PC brigade yelling how hard done to you are by nasty strangers calling you names.

Toughen up people, it's a big bad wide world out there, and as for that soppy twat at Anfield crying to the ref because some scouse twat was calling him names, how about getting involved in the game so the shouts were simply background clutter.

Rich, you sound a little ignorant. Forgiveable if you don't really understand the nature of racism in the UK, which most people don't.

This might help explain it a little... it's from Michael Rosen's blog and sums the Suarez thing up very nicely. It probably also helps shed some light on why the Forest chanting was both racist and offensive. I find it offensive and embarrassing when I hear it at a match and I'm white. Ultimately making chants based on the large Asian and British-Asian population in Leicester implies that this is something to mocked - that these people are inferior to the white chanters. It's utterly pathetic and can be excused on no level. Just as homophobic chanting at Brighton is inexcusable.

If you've never been in a position to be subject to overt and implicit racism, you could easily see it as just a bit of fuss, but it's not about you or how you feel about it. That's the point.

Meanwhile, at a seemingly much, much more trivial level is the Suarez-Evra fracas. Anyone who has been around sport knows that the air is permanently thick with insult and abuse. A good deal of it is sexual either in terms of what the other person can or cannot do, has or has not physically got, or what might or might not happen or has happened to your opponents partner, wife, girlfriend, ex, mother, sister, grandmother. A good deal of it is about personal appearance - height, weight, hair, teeth, eyes and so on. The question in this case wasn't whether Suarez said something derogatory but whether he 'racialised' the conversation. Again and again, people have tried to say that whatever Suarez said was only or merely something that people say to each other in Uruguay, in Latin America, in colloquial Spanish etc etc. Well, let's remember first that Uruguay was once a slave-owning society and the idea that any word meaning 'black' is somehow neutral or 'only' or 'just' anything is hard to believe. I notice that there haven't been long lines of black Uruguayans queueing up to tell British interviewers how they love being called 'black' by white people when tensions are high in arguments and confrontations.

Even so, no matter what kind of codes Suarez was using at the time, there can be little doubt that he changed the nature of the 'conversation' (euphemism, I know) by introducing 'race' into it. And this is the key. Why does a white person do that? What possible purpose is there for a white person in the middle of a confrontation (for whatever reason) suddenly say that the other person is 'black'. It can only be part of the business of trying to get the upper hand. In other words, the white person reaches for the hierarchy he is part of, (the racist hierarchy,) and pluck the trump card from the pack: the one that says 'inferior' (in his book). It is completely irrelevant that black people use this or that term to each other or within the hierarchies of racism use the word 'white'. Racialising the confrontation is to get the upper hand by relying on perceived notions of who is top dog, based on centuries of domination and oppression. The thousands of column inches I've seen written on this case all trying to prove that 'negro' isn't a slur completely miss the point.
 
I really don't want to trivialise genuine cases of racism, but in my humble opinion real cases get lost in the mire of such inane nonsense as this.

People cry wolf long enough at the events as last Saturday and real racist acts will get ignored.
 
I really don't want to trivialise genuine cases of racism, but in my humble opinion real cases get lost in the mire of such inane nonsense as this.

People cry wolf long enough at the events as last Saturday and real racist acts will get ignored.

I couldn't disagree more. Tolerance of any racism pushes the boundaries of what's deemed acceptable further and further back. No racism is ok - it's never just 'banter'. It's loaded with too much for it ever to be just that.

Did you read the excerpt I posted? The second paragraph makes clear why it's never ok.
 
I find chanting the things described both offensive and deeply sad. I enjoy verbal baiting, especially towards Notts Florist, but there are lines that I'm evolved enough not to cross. Pity that so many aren't there yet.

I forget who we were playing at Filbert St around a decade ago when the obvious 'town full of p***'s' chant was aired and the kop stood and re-chanted it back at them implying pride in our home City and it's many and varied inhabitants. That was one of the proudest moments I've had as a City fan and our best riposte to such mindlessness.

FA involvement and their warnings and fines for such instances are all rather pointless. Fans change behaviours, not the games masters.
 
They certainly bang on about it and their fan base enough.

You mean people talking about it at a time when we are playing them twice in 2 weeks?

I would call that relevant and the perfect time to bang on about it, If you can give me an example of it happening at other times I will graciously agree.
 
Last weekend wasnt an isolated incident, they did they exact same thing at the league fixture earlier in the season. Went on all game. During the match they said over the tannoy that the club didn't tolerate foul and abusive language and they gave a text number (60066) so I text them. On Monday the club called me asking for information and were confident it wouldn't happen again - obviously they took no action and it did happen. I think I've heard racist chanting on every occasion I've been to the City ground. The only other fans as bad are Leeds, who I can remember making racist chants just before we left Filbert Street.
 
I couldn't disagree more. Tolerance of any racism pushes the boundaries of what's deemed acceptable further and further back. No racism is ok - it's never just 'banter'. It's loaded with too much for it ever to be just that.

Did you read the excerpt I posted? The second paragraph makes clear why it's never ok.
Yes I read it. One question, do you have the same passion for coloureds / Asians / whatever who play the race card at very turn?
 
And why Baghdad ? - we have a large asian community in Leicester but I'm not sure we have much of an Iraqi population?

I imagine it was chosen because they have heard of Baghdad, I can't imagine these simple folk having extensive knowledge of the world.
 
You mean people talking about it at a time when we are playing them twice in 2 weeks?

I would call that relevant and the perfect time to bang on about it, If you can give me an example of it happening at other times I will graciously agree.

Most of our songs that mention opposition are Forest based?
 
No, I was being a little flippant. If it was serious enough to cause the lad distress then it's serious enough to be arrested for. HOWEVER, don't you feel a little bit embarrassed that a full grown adult was brought to tears by a twat making rude and offensive comments....

The first reports that I read claimed that the shout had actually been "you Manc bastard" so he may have misheard or got upset at being associated with Manchester!
 
Yes I read it. One question, do you have the same passion for coloureds / Asians / whatever who play the race card at very turn?

Christ on a bike, you lot really do believe it's 1980 don't you?

As for the rest of your post, put down your Daily Mail and get out more.

Most of those who've complained on here and on FoxesTalk are white and do not see why we should be ashamed of our multicultural city. I remember the game Brown Nose is talking about (think it was probably Leeds and it was going on for much of the game) and felt the same sense of pride he felt.

We have our idiots in our fanbase, by God we do, but the vast majority of us think racism to be beyond the pale. I remember similar chants at Bristol City last season emanating from the 'banta' brigade to our right being met with 'Ingerlund' from some of our chavvies, who were quickly told to shut the **** up.

If we can do it, why can't your club? After all; our clubs are similar in size, demographic of fans and are both based in ethnically diverse cities. Seems as though your club needs to toughen up on racist chants and similar shite, perhaps this will be the catalyst.
 
Christ on a bike, you lot really do believe it's 1980 don't you?

As for the rest of your post, put down your Daily Mail and get out more.

Most of those who've complained on here and on FoxesTalk are white and do not see why we should be ashamed of our multicultural city. I remember the game Brown Nose is talking about (think it was probably Leeds and it was going on for much of the game) and felt the same sense of pride he felt.

We have our idiots in our fanbase, by God we do, but the vast majority of us think racism to be beyond the pale. I remember similar chants at Bristol City last season emanating from the 'banta' brigade to our right being met with 'Ingerlund' from some of our chavvies, who were quickly told to shut the **** up.

If we can do it, why can't your club? After all; our clubs are similar in size, demographic of fans and are both based in ethnically diverse cities. Seems as though your club needs to toughen up on racist chants and similar shite, perhaps this will be the catalyst.

Let's remember this was a chant by a minority of the Forest fans I am sure many of their fans feel racism (no matter how trivial some believe it to be) does not have a place in football.
 
Let's remember this was a chant by a minority of the Forest fans I am sure many of their fans feel racism (no matter how trivial some believe it to be) does not have a place in football.

Firstly, would like to point out it was the use of the word 'coloured' I found archaic and rather jarring.

What's clear is that Forest, as a club, have been weak in dealing with racism. It takes a board that isn't afraid to incur the wrath of supporters who are profitable to them in the pursuit of decency on the terraces. Racism is not banter, the majority of decent Forest fans would agree with that. I know of a few Forest fans who are downright embarrassed in general by their fellow supporters in the Main Stand, it's seen as far more problematic and far more of a poor reflection on the club than our very own L Block.

L Block has its idiots, but it's a rare day when you hear a genuinely racist chant emanate from there. The Yuki dog eating abomination may be heard on occasion, but people are beginning to realise that's nonsense and sacking it off. There's abuse coming from there, shit banter and other stuff but racism? Rare indeed. This is in stark contrast to how things were in the bad old days of the 1980s, showing how far we've come as a club.
 
Yes I read it. One question, do you have the same passion for coloureds / Asians / whatever who play the race card at very turn?

'Coloureds'?! Jesus effing Christ, Rich. What decade are you living in? Surely you know that that's also offensive?

You clearly know VERY little about this topic and are making a muppet out of yourself. I don't know any black or Asian people who ever choose to play the 'race card'. What you're saying is ignorant, patronising and offensive. I suggest you shut the **** up or do yourself a favour and educate yourself.
 
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