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Blaby blue blood said:
As much as I think it is sad that you can't take photos of your own children without people being suspicious, it was clearly sign posted and he broke the rules. What makes him think he can do so without punishment?
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**** the sign, signs on a wall are not laws. If I saw such a sign, I would deliberately do the exact opposite of whatever it said.
 
Macky said:
**** the sign, signs on a wall are not laws. If I saw such a sign, I would deliberately do the exact opposite of whatever it said.
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Exactly, there is no law about taking pictures there, they cannot take your phone or camera off you, the police cannot arrest you, it is their rule and all they can do is ask you to leave and or bar you from the centre.
 
Macky said:
**** the sign, signs on a wall are not laws. If I saw such a sign, I would deliberately do the exact opposite of whatever it said.
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I didn't say I agreed with it, what I am saying is if you do something they have asked you not to, you should expect to be pulled up on it.
 
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beighton155 said:
Why? Quite a lot of centres have a no photography policy. Why people continue to get annoyed when they get told off for disobeying rules is beyond me.
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It's because people often don't really realise that shopping centres aren't public places until they get caught by this kind of rule. Which is there to protect companies, not children.
 
Blaby blue blood said:
I didn't say I agreed with it, what I am saying is if you do something they have asked you not to, you should expect to be pulled up on it.
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That all depends on what you mean by "pulled up on it". The most that the security guard is lawfully allowed to do is to ask you to leave the premises, nothing more. Everything about how that man and his daughter were treated was ****ery of the highest order.
 
Macky said:
That all depends on what you mean by "pulled up on it". The most that the security guard is lawfully allowed to do is to ask you to leave the premises, nothing more. Everything about how that man and his daughter were treated was ****ery of the highest order.
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Which is why the guard called in Plod, presumably. Who then, as is their way, suggested all manner of imaginary regulations and offences.
 
Dour said:
Which is why the guard called in Plod, presumably. Who then, as is their way, suggested all manner of imaginary regulations and offences.
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This is the letter he sent out to the press describing the incident

Dear Evening Times Newsdesk

Around 4pm this evening I took the attached photo of my 4 year old daughter looking cute on the back of a vespa seat at an ice cream bar inside Braehead shopping centre in the middle of a shopping trip. Having just bought her some new jigsaws we were going to go look at some clothes shops but never managed to continue our shopping trip.


Walking down the shopping mall a man approached me from behind as I was carrying my daughter in my arms. He came from behind me, cutting in front of me and told me to stop. That was quite a shock as I am wary of people with crew cuts and white shirts suddenly appearing in front of me, but then realised he was a security guard.


He then said I had been spotted taking photos in the shopping centre which was 'illegal' and not allowed and then asked me to delete any photos I had taken. I explained I had taken 2 photos of my daughter eating ice cream and that she was the only person in the photo so didn't see any problem. i also said that I wasn't that willing to delete the photo's and there seemed little point as I had actually uploaded them to facebook.


He then said i would have to stay right where I was while he called the police, which seemed as little extreme. My daughter was crying by this stage, but I said that was fine I would wait and began to comfort my daughter who was saying she didn't like the man and wanted to go. After about 5 minutes two police officers arrived.


The older police officer was actually quite intimidating in his nature. He said that there had been a complaint about me taking photos and that there were clear signs in Braehead shopping centre saying that no photographs were allowed. I tried to explain that I hadn't seen any clearly displayed signs and that I had taken 2 photos of my daughter.


As i was trying to explain he said I was interrupting him and that I should remain quiet until he had finished speaking to me. Not wanting to distress my daughter further, and to allow him to finish I let him continue. At one stage i was reassuring my daughter that everything was okay, only to be told I wasn't listening by the officer.


Once he had finished, i then started to explain again my situation, only for the officer to start speaking again. Apparently different rules of respect apply when someone other than a police officer is speaking. I explained that that far from being aggressive when the security guard came over, the way he approached me was threatening and intimidating. I was told that was my word against his. Although this didn't seem to be the case when the security guard alleged that I was threatening when I had a 4 year old in my arms and waited patiently for the police to arrive.


The police officer than started to say that there were privacy issues around photographs, to which I said yes and in a busy shopping centre I waited until only my daughter was in the shot. I explained that I was happy to show him the photos although not sure under what authority he could ask me to delete the photos.


He then said that under the Prevention of Terrorism Act he was quite within in his rights to confiscate my mobile phone without any explanation for taking photos within a public shopping centre, which seems an abuse of the act. He then said on this occasion he would allow me to keep the photos, but he wanted to take my full details.


Name, place of birth, age, employment status, address. Had I not had my daughter with me, and the fact that we are trying to bring our daughter up to respect and trust police officers, I may have exercised my right not to provide those details. My view is that up until that stage the police were using powers their stop and account powers. I had done that so would have been within my rights not to give further details, however I chose to give the details.


The police officer also said that the security guard was within his rights to now ask me to leave Braehead Shopping Centre and bar me from the premises which I was happy to oblige.


Four things that are truly ridiculous the whole photo situation. How many people have taken photos of their children in Build-a-bear or on rides and attractions in Braehead? The police officer even thinking of making reference to the Prevention of Terrorism Act; wondering how many shoplifters got away while my act of terrorism was being dealt with; and the fact that i was clearly shopping and intended to continue shopping at a time when retail sales are at there lowest for over a decade. I guess Braehead shopping centre must be bucking the trend!


I am quite happy to be contacted further regarding this story, and happy for the story to be published. My contact details are *********** 0r ***********. Although not sure whether Braehead would allow a photocall in the shopping centre.
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Section 5 of the public order act and the prevention of terrorism are the thick coppers two big sticks, they seem to think they can do anything just by mentioning them.
 
I imagine the bounty of online pictures and the interactive map of the shopping centre would make an act of terrorism much easier than a snappy snap of a midget scoffing a dairy-based treat an an idiotic scooter seat.

Me? I'd be going along with a camera this Saturday with all my chums, if I lived nearby.

Or had chums.
 
Mawsley said:
I imagine the bounty of online pictures and the interactive map of the shopping centre would make an act of terrorism much easier than a snappy snap of a midget scoffing a dairy-based treat an an idiotic scooter seat.

Me? I'd be going along with a camera this Saturday with all my chums, if I lived nearby.

Or had chums.
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Quite. There should be a flash mob all armed with cameras all going to the prison camp, sorry shopping centre.
 
Going by his letter he's a very tolerant chap. If it was me it would've ended with a security guard nursing a bloody nose on the floor, and I certainly wouldn't have waited for police officers to arrive.
 
Blue Maniac said:
Going by his letter he's a very tolerant chap. If it was me it would've ended with a security guard nursing a bloody nose on the floor, and I certainly wouldn't have waited for police officers to arrive.
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Seeing as my experience of the world is that it is full of jumped-up, pig thick officious morons you must spend an awful lot of your time punching noses.
 
Mawsley said:
Seeing as my experience of the world is that it is full of jumped-up, pig thick officious morons you must spend an awful lot of your time punching noses.
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I've not had cause to punch anyone's face in since 2007, when the warehouse manager at the company I worked for decided he'd try to intimidate the young lad by grabbing me by the throat in an empty warehouse. Needless to say it didn't go as he planned.
 
spionfox said:
If this were an insurance claim I would argue that the old boy was equally culpable for at least part of the problem.

Walking an alsation whilst wearing that hi-viz jacket with the epaulettes? Mong.
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Walking around in a costume isn't currently against any law that I'm aware of and doesn't justify the actions of the pretend policeman, also wearing a ridiculous costume
 
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