Suspected suicide bomber shot

[The Voice From Above]

This guy payed the ultimate price for being involved in this activity. You don't get involved with making bombs and plotting to kill people without realising that you could be killed yourself.

If he has acted as it is being reported then he deserved everything he got.

Exactly. You live by the sword you die by the fecker...

It seems everybody on here is of the same opinion...except one.

But i'd buy you a pint too Steven cuz i love you passionately and your entitled to your opinion.

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[Babylon]

Inayat Bunglawala said: "I have just had one phone call saying 'What if I was carrying a rucksack?'.

For Fecks sake... How about advising them not to run away from policemen with guns when they are shouting at you to stop!!! Fecking idiots.

How anyone can say the police didn't do the right thing is beyond me. Seems like some people think a muslim terrorists life is worth more than a few hundred people on a train.

Ok there may not have been a gun waving about. But if they SUSPECT he has a bomb then they have absolutly no choice. Had they let him run on the train and they thought "well he might not have a bomb" the consequences could be catastrophic.

 

[Durham Fox]

I am no fan of the police at all however in this instance I can't see how they could have done anything else. The were acting to protect law abiding citizens and that is there primary fuinction.

Well done boys.

 

[Steven]

Steven

Picture the scene. You are a plain clothes copper and you have a guy suspected of a plot to bomb and kill innocent people the day before under surveillance. The ideal scenario is to arrest this man and interrogate him in order to attempt to find out all his associates and follow the trail. I'm pretty sure that would have been the objective. Common Sense.

So this guy leaves his base and starts to walk the streets. You stay calm and wait to see where he is going, what he is up to. Hopefully he'll lead you to his associates. At some stage you realise that this man is wearing suspiscious clothing and there is a chance, yes a chance, he may have a bomb and is prepared to kill himself and as many innocent people as he can. You attempt to arrest him and the guy does a runner, jumps the barriers at the tube and heads for the train.

You have a split second to decide what to do (although you are probably also under orders to 'shoot to stop without causing a risk to others' not 'shoot to kill'.

Lets say that you, the cop, decides not to shoot to stop but shoots him in the leg. The injured guy falls to floor and then detonates his bomb killing 50 people. 50 people dead because you didnt shoot him in the head.

How would you feel about that? If only i'd shot him in the head they would all still be alive? No?

And then this bombing inspires more extremists to do the same. After all its easy, the cops are soft.

I want to uphold the Law, because to do otherwise is to give in to the bombers.

 

[The Voice From Above]

I want to uphold the Law, because to do otherwise is to give in to the bombers.

i know you do. but how would you feel?

 

[Steven]

i know you do. but how would you feel?

It is not a time to give in to emotion, it is a time for clarity.

 

[Durham Fox]

I think the met police/Scotland Yard have made their stance quite clear.

 

[Steven]

I think the met police/Scotland Yard have made their stance quite clear.

... and remember what the Good Book says "sow as ye shall reap". :icon_sad:

 

[Babylon]

... and remember what the Good Book says "sow as ye shall reap". :icon_sad:

they sowed the bombs first so they can reap.

 

[Macky]

Just like Lazzer, I was determined that I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but now that i've had a couple I've decided to throw in my tuppence.
I completely agree with every thought that Steven has added to this thread, with the greatest of respect lads, some of your responses seem to have come direct from the frontpage of the Sun. Steven's responses have been considered & thoughtful. None of us know the circumstances of what has gone on today, but it helps no one if we create a climate where every young fellah who has a tanned complexion, might also be carrying a rucksac and, Jesus can you imagine, has an iPod strapped to his waist, is in danger of being shot to death because they don't have the respect to do as they are being instructed by an armed cop.
I hope & I pray that the cop who carried out this shooting felt that he was completely, and utterly, justified in the actions that he took. But to be completely honest, IF his justification for his actions is based similarly on your justification for it, then I personally have issue with that.
As always, I love you all, and I hope I haven't offended any of you, it is a very emotional time and my thoughts and prayers, as useless as they are, are with you.

 

[Steven]

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Shot man not linked to attacks
23 July 2005

The man shot dead by police in south London Tube train is not connected to attempted terror attacks on the capital, said Scotland Yard.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets," said a spokesman.

The fatal shooting happened in Stockwell at 10am on Friday when armed plain clothes police officers shot a man as he tried to board a train at the underground station.

He had emerged from a nearby house that was under surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday's attempted bomb attacks on three Tube trains and a bus.

The man, whose name has not yet been released, was then followed by surveillance officers to Stockwell Tube station where he was challenged by officers, who told him to stop.

The man, who is believed to be of South American appearance, then bolted down an escalator.

He apparently tried to get on a train before he was, according to witnesses, shot five times in the head by an officer with an automatic pistol.

Scotland Yard said: "The man emerged from a block of flats in the Stockwell area that were under police surveillance as part of the investigation into the incidents on Thursday.

"He was then followed by surveillance officers to the underground station. His clothing and behaviour added to their suspicions."

The police watchdog, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has already announced that there will be an independent investigation into the shooting.

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[Fox Fan]

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Bottom line is he didn't comply with police, they had absolutly no choice.

If he'd of done as the police had asked then he would still be alive - its as simple as that.

 

[Scodger Cubs]

If he was innocent, why did he run off ??

 

[MKFox]

This kind of justifies everything you were saying yesterday Steven. That said, sorry, but I'd prefer 1 dead pseudo innocent rather that 55 dead innocents.
On that basis, surely plod was right to plug someone obviously trying to test the system, knowing the result would be a backlash.
In a way, his actions have damaged the muslim relationship with the rest of the British public and the police.
I have a strange feeling that this wasn't the tragic accident it's being made out to be, but a different kind of suicide attacker, driving huge divides between the muslim community and the authorities.

 

[Steven]

This kind of justifies everything you were saying yesterday Steven. That said, sorry, but I'd prefer 1 dead pseudo innocent rather that 55 dead innocents.
On that basis, surely plod was right to plug someone obviously trying to test the system, knowing the result would be a backlash.
In a way, his actions have damaged the muslim relationship with the rest of the British public and the police.
I have a strange feeling that this wasn't the tragic accident it's being made out to be, but a different kind of suicide attacker, driving huge divides between the muslim community and the authorities.

There is no indication he is anything other than innocent. Moreover if saving innocent lives is the answer there many other forms of everyday activity we do that pose a much greater risk that these nutters.

To take you logic to its logical conclusion why not shoot every drink driver who gets in a car as I am certain they have killed more innocent people since the inception of the car than terrorists have in the UK.

 

[Macky]

Bottom line is he didn't comply with police, they had absolutly no choice.

If he'd of done as the police had asked then he would still be alive - its as simple as that.

If he was innocent, why did he run off ??

I can think of at least a dozen times when i've tried to make legs away from the law, most times I had absolutely nothing to hide. But, to be quite honest with you, I do avoid them if I can.
Does that mean I deserve several bullets to the back of the head???


*that was a rhetorical question, you can keep your opinions about that to yourself*

 

[Macky]

To take you logic to its logical conclusion why not shoot every drink driver who gets in a car as I am certain they have killed more innocent people since the inception of the car than terrorists have in the UK.

excellent analogy

Don't let the media form your opinion on these recent events.
We all have access to a lot of information, don't just accept the parts of it that you are fed, most of it is bollix.

 

[Steven]

Very reassuring. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. How many more innocent people will die before this madness will stop. :icon_sad:

Scotland Yard:'More could be shot'

Scotland Yard Commissioner Sir Ian Blair today admitted further people could be shot as detectives hunt down the would-be suicide bombers who tried to bring further carnage to London last week.

His comments followed the fatal shooting of innocent Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, who was killed by undercover police officers on Friday morning as he tried to board a Tube train at Stockwell, south London.

Sir Ian admitted there was a "shoot-to-kill policy" for tackling suicide bombers and it would not change, although the death of Mr de Menezes was a "tragedy".

"Somebody else could be shot. But everything is done to make it right," Sir Ian told Sunday with Adam Boulton on Sky News.

"This is a terrifying set of circumstances for individuals to make decisions."

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[webmaster]

If he was innocent, why did he run off ??

The police weren't in uniform, so it wouldn't have been obvious that they were police, they could have been the military arm of the BNP looking for 'revenge' against the bombings. It's quite likely that someone's first thought when seeing these people pointing a gun at them would be to run. If they did shout that they were the police he may not have heard them, and even if he did, why should anyone believe them, anyone can say they're the police. You don't expect the police to shoot you for running away.

I don't necessarily blame the person/people who pulled the trigger, they would have been acting on 'intelligence' from someone else, it looks like the surveillance people got it wrong.

 

[Steven]

The police weren't in uniform, so it wouldn't have been obvious that they were police, they could have been the military arm of the BNP looking for 'revenge' against the bombings. It's quite likely that someone's first thought when seeing these people pointing a gun at them would be to run. If they did shout that they were the police he may not have heard them, and even if he did, why should anyone believe them, anyone can say they're the police. You don't expect the police to shoot you for running away.

I don't necessarily blame the person/people who pulled the trigger, they would have been acting on 'intelligence' from someone else, it looks like the surveillance people got it wrong.

Good point, that person could in fact be a terrorist, at that moment in time how could someone reasonably be able make that judgement without a further clue like a uniform for example. Are you trying to suggest that he should have asked the Officer concerned "Could I see some identification please". What do think the Officers reaction will be. :icon_sad: