Speculation The hysterical and annoying, but traditional, totally unfounded summer 2020 rumours thread

[Brown Nose]

It's no surprise to me that Chilwell's form has been relatively poor for most of last season.

It has to be unsettling when a another club like Chelsea sets out to poach a player by weekly hints to the media that he is a target for them.

How can you expect him to give 100% commitment in every game when his mind is elsewhere and he is wanting to avoid serious injury, even subconsciously.

I think it is quite disgraceful behaviour by Chelsea. Other so called big clubs do it all the time.

Should we be doing it too?

It's worse than that. Chilwell was strongly tapped up by Man City in April 2019. He was told that he was their main target and agreed personal terms.

Then in the early summer, Man City realised that they couldn't sell Mendy so couldn't pay for another left back and pulled out.

So ever since early 2019, Chilwell has been playing with this sort of shit.

 

[popillius]

So ever since early 2019, Chilwell has been playing shit.

It's not often we agree but thumbs up on this one.

 

[Lako42]

It's worse than that. Chilwell was strongly tapped up by Man City in April 2019. He was told that he was their main target and agreed personal terms.

Then in the early summer, Man City realised that they couldn't sell Mendy so couldn't pay for another left back and pulled out.

So ever since early 2019, Chilwell has been playing with this sort of shit.

So why do you want to keep him then?

He clearly isn't able to play well with this terrible trauma so no point in hanging on to someone in blind hope he'll get over it and be happy to play for us.

It makes sense though as his performances certainly paint the picture of someone not concentrating.

 

[Brown Nose]

So why do you want to keep him then?

He clearly isn't able to play well with this terrible trauma so no point in hanging on to someone in blind hope he'll get over it and be happy to play for us.

It makes sense though as his performances certainly paint the picture of someone not concentrating.

1. Chilwell is our best left back by a country mile. Your opinion is that he didn't play well last season. My eyes and his stats say different.
2. Our style of play is completely dependent on the talents of Chilwell and Ricardo. When one or both of them were missing, we looked a shadow of the same team.
3. I think he deserves more credit for playing with constant uncertainty about his future and idiot City fans berating his every moment.
4. Jamal Lewis isn't fit to lace his boots.
5. As I've said before, he will improve and we should hold onto him as I think he will be worth more in 12 months.
6, We have a potentially talented left back learning his trade (Thomas) who is clearly not ready yet. Why sell Chilwell for £xm now and have to spend a significant proportion of that money on a replacement who may be unnecessary in 12 months time?

 

[popillius]

1. Chilwell is our best left back by a country mile. Your opinion is that he didn't play well last season. My eyes and his stats say different.
2. Our style of play is completely dependent on the talents of Chilwell and Ricardo. When one or both of them were missing, we looked a shadow of the same team.
3. I think he deserves more credit for playing with constant uncertainty about his future and idiot City fans berating his every moment.
4. Jamal Lewis isn't fit to lace his boots.
5. As I've said before, he will improve and we should hold onto him as I think he will be worth more in 12 months.
6, We have a potentially talented left back learning his trade (Thomas) who is clearly not ready yet. Why sell Chilwell for £xm now and have to spend a significant proportion of that money on a replacement who may be unnecessary in 12 months time?

1. Being the best LB at the club, which is arguable anyway, isn't evidence of his quality, more of the state and depth of our squad. You don't think he was bad last season and that's your opinion. Many would disagree.
2. When it was just Chilwell missing, we didn't look any different at all. He was around for most of the second half of the season and we were pretty shite then. Throw in him, Ricardo, Maddison and Soyuncu missing and yes, you're right. We don't look as good.
3. He deserves credit for having his head turned and playing like turd because of it? You blame BR's disastrous second half of the season on his head having his head turned by Arsenal but, rightfully, offer no such credit to him. Odd. Which City fans? Manchester? Norwich? If it is Leicester then maybe they are sick of his constant ineptitude. Makes you wonder why there are many, many Leicester supporters if you look around, who wouldn't be too unhappy to see the back of him.
4. Lewis is an unknown entity. His first PL season was good, given the shambles around him. He may prove to be a flash in the pan or he may prove to be an exciting prospect. It is a punt. You telling us he isn't anywhere as good as Chilwell however, doesn't make that a fact. Again, you confuse your opinion with truth. If we had both to start next season with, I'd want to see Lewis starting if for no other reason but to put a rocket up the arse of Chilwell.
5. What makes you think he will improve? He hasn't improved his defending for the past 3 seasons and there are no signs that he wants to. If anything, the boy has gone backwards.
6. You have no idea about his readiness. Thomas may be perfectly ready to come into the squad. He certainly didn't look out of his depth. The history of this club should tell you that it isn't imperative to spend squillions for quality. Take a punt. We wouldn't be any worse off.

 

[camberwell fox]

I would really like to see Thomas given the first half a dozen games. He looked very composed and at home in the games he played.

To send him out on loan would be nothing short of disastrous.

If he’s good enough he’s old enough.

 

[ThaiSweetChilli]

Why sell Chilwell for £xm now

Because we need to sell to buy apparently. And if we need to sell then I reckon of all of our first team, Chilwell gets the biggest fee with the least dent to the quality of our first team when he leaves. I know I'd certainly like to keep Ricardo, Ndidi, Soyuncu over him.

Don't get me wrong, I think Chilwell is a good defender just not worth the huge fees being mentioned. His defending is still not where it should be imo. And perhaps that will change in the future. But for now if we're offered £60m+ then we should take it and reinvest it into better other areas of the squad.

 

[Brown Nose]

Because we need to sell to buy apparently. And if we need to sell then I reckon of all of our first team, Chilwell gets the biggest fee with the least dent to the quality of our first team when he leaves. I know I'd certainly like to keep Ricardo, Ndidi, Soyuncu over him.

Don't get me wrong, I think Chilwell is a good defender just not worth the huge fees being mentioned. His defending is still not where it should be imo. And perhaps that will change in the future. But for now if we're offered £60m+ then we should take it and reinvest it into better other areas of the squad.

This is a perfectly rational point.

My response is that it is a matter of opinion which player is easier to replace.

I'd argue that Ricardo, Chilwell and Ndidi are the toughest to replace. Largely because they are rare types and I cannot see easily obtained replacements because there are very few like them.

Soyuncu, Maddison, Iheanacho, Perez, Praet, Barnes or Tielemans are all potentially decent value assets that I think can be replaced far simply. I'd much rather we trade this sort of player to raise funds.

Over the last four years we have sold easily replaceable Maguire and Drinkwater. We have also sold very tough to replace Mahrez and Kante.

Experience tells us that a rare talent is of higher value to us than an ordinary talent. Chilwell is certainly a rare talent. You only sell one of those when you absolutely have to.

 

[Brown Nose]

I would really like to see Thomas given the first half a dozen games. He looked very composed and at home in the games he played.

To send him out on loan would be nothing short of disastrous.

If he’s good enough he’s old enough.

This assumes that he's good enough right now.

He just hasn't done enough for that faith in him to be justified.

There were routine errors in his last two matches that would terrify me if we had to depend on him. He needs some playing experience before he's ready for us.

He's like a Kane or a Lingard when they came to us on loan. Talented but needs game time.

 

[Payne74]

This is a perfectly rational point.

My response is that it is a matter of opinion which player is easier to replace.

I'd argue that Ricardo, Chilwell and Ndidi are the toughest to replace. Largely because they are rare types and I cannot see easily obtained replacements because there are very few like them.

Soyuncu, Maddison, Iheanacho, Perez, Praet, Barnes or Tielemans are all potentially decent value assets that I think can be replaced far simply. I'd much rather we trade this sort of player to raise funds.

Over the last four years we have sold easily replaceable Maguire and Drinkwater. We have also sold very tough to replace Mahrez and Kante.

Experience tells us that a rare talent is of higher value to us than an ordinary talent. Chilwell is certainly a rare talent. You only sell one of those when you absolutely have to.

I disagree I think Chilwell would be easier to replace, if we brought Jamal Lewis I don't think it would effect the team one bit where as Ricardo, Soyuncu, Ndidi and Maddison would be very hard to replace and cost a massive amount. Barnes has more potential than Chilwell and more likely to turn into an excellent player, Chilwell has stagnated over the last two seasons

 

[camberwell fox]

Soyuncu, Maddison, Iheanacho, Perez, Praet, Barnes or Tielemans are all potentially decent value assets that I think can be replaced far simply. I'd much rather we trade this sort of player to raise funds.

Sorry BN but I’m not having that. From your so called list of can be replaced quite simply I would (perhaps) put:

Iheanacho (lack of composure and ultimately goals).
Perez, perhaps but undervalued in the same way as Okazaki.
Praet, yes.

The rest, don’t be silly and go and have a lie down. Barnes, FFS. If he can kick on he will be world class.

 

[Lako42]

This assumes that he's good enough right now.

He just hasn't done enough for that faith in him to be justified.

There were routine errors in his last two matches that would terrify me if we had to depend on him. He needs some playing experience before he's ready for us.

He's like a Kane or a Lingard when they came to us on loan. Talented but needs game time.

Chilwell made routine errors in every single game.

I lost count of the amount of times he simple missed the ball when trying to control it or actually just ran the ball off the pitch.

 

[popillius]

Chilwell made routine errors in every single game.

I lost count of the amount of times he simple missed the ball when trying to control it or actually just ran the ball off the pitch.

Exactly. Thomas didn't make any errors that we haven't seen from Chilwell game after game after game. Hopefully, Thomas has the capacity to learn from them because Chilwell doesn't seem to.

 

[Graz]

I'd rather sell Soyuncu than Chilwell.

Agree with BN about some positions being easier to replace than others, and I think we'd find a good centre back replacement easier than a full back. And our full backs are crucial to our style of play.

Not that I want Soyuncu to go either, but I value Chilwell more highly.

 

[Payne74]

I'd rather sell Soyuncu than Chilwell.

Agree with BN about some positions being easier to replace than others, and I think we'd find a good centre back replacement easier than a full back. And our full backs are crucial to our style of play.

Not that I want Soyuncu to go either, but I value Chilwell more highly.

I agree with the principle of what you & BN are saying, a CB should be easier to replace than a LB and yes attacking fullbacks is crucial to our style of play, but here is the problem Chilwell isn't that good at either defending or attacking so in this case he would be easier to replace, Ricardo on the other hand would be very difficult to replace and I would prefer Soyuncu to go over Ricardo.

 

[City Fan]

Yep centre backs are dead easy to replace.

That’s why we ended the season playing with Bennett and Morgan because we couldn’t get a replacement for Maguire at a reasonable fee.

 

[Payne74]

Yep centre backs are dead easy to replace.

That’s why we ended the season playing with Bennett and Morgan because we couldn’t get a replacement for Maguire at a reasonable fee.

Nobody is saying CB are dead easy to replace, it is EASIER to replace a CB over a attacking fullback.

 

[Robin127]

...but here is the problem Chilwell isn't that good at either defending or attacking...

This makes me wonder why Chelsea would prefer him over Marcos Alonso, who according to some does seem to have some defensive limitations but he is an excellent attacking full back.

 

[Lako42]

Nobody is saying CB are dead easy to replace, it is EASIER to replace a CB over a attacking fullback.

Really, what evidence is there to suggest this is true?

We enquired about loads of Cb's after Maguire left and despite raking in a stupid fee we were unable to replace.

Apparently the fullback position is different these days and you don't need to know how to defend, so replacing him with a very fit player who can run up and down all day shouldn't be too hard.

Chilwell has poor positional awareness, is not a natural defender and his final ball is terrible, I'd rather take a chance at replacing him than any of our decent players.

 

[Lako42]

This makes me wonder why Chelsea would prefer him over Marcos Alonso, who according to some does seem to have some defensive limitations but he is an excellent attacking full back.

I often wonder why they spunked £30m on a waster like Drinkwater