Speculation Who do you want for next season?

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Redditch Fox said:
Dyer - not good enough.

Ideally we need to get rid of a lot - but its easy to say and difficult to do. Selling players we don't want means we get next to nothing for them. Sven has stuffed the club long term with silly wages - unrealistic contracts.

Marshall, Morgan & Drinkwater all look as if they want to play for Leicester. Any or all of the rest can go as far as I'm concerned - the only one of them I enjoy watching is Sol Bamba - the keeper is ok too but not quite as good as we delude ourselves into wanting to believe.

Ridiculous even discussing the likes of Gallagher - he's ridden the system at the KP for far too long. King is also a passenger these days anf has been so for a couple of years. Wellens past it but can play football. Nugent tolerable partly because like Sol he plays with a smile on his face.

I think we could kid ourselves about Vassell. His game is a young man's game - lose a yard or so of pace and he's yesterday's man.

I want a big clear out and a fresh start - but wanting is one thing and achieving it is another. The owners are silent at the moment. The one consolation we should all have is that we are not taking the financial hit for these losers - they are and will be for some time whether they stay or try to sell up.
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Whilst Dyer isn't perfect, I think we can do a lot worse and I wouldn't ship him out unless we signed two strong replacements as he would make a very good back up. The second half of this season he has improved and he is defiintely good enough for most Championship clubs.

I completely agree about Vassell and that's why we should be careful about offering him a contract. He is the only one I'd consider for a new contract but it is completely dependent on how he has recovered from his injury.

I don't buy into the idea of wholesale changes yet again. It very rarely works. Our front two are more than capable of shooting it's way into the top 2 next season. If the owners are happy to carry on paying their contracts then why sell? We saw how long it took those two to gel as a partnership so why risk it again? Beckford and Nugent have to stay for us to have a realistic chance of competing for promotion next season.

Gallagher really should be moved on, but I'm not so sure he will be.

I'd definitely keep King, disappointing season this term, but he's shown he can do it at this level before and he's missed a big chunk of the season through injury. I'm sure he'll improve and be back to his best form next season
 
indierich06 said:
Why in the name of Jeebus are so many people on here keen to get rid of Andy King?!

He scored 16 goals last season and 11 the season before, he is the one midfielder in our squad who can actually chip in with a decent goals tally and create something from nothing. He's not had a great season by his standards, but he's been hampered by injuries which will take time to recover from.

It absolutely beggars belief. People on here are often crying out for young talent to come through the academy and to be given a chance in the first team. Yet this lad, who only in his 4th full season as a player, has gotten better every season so far and he will continue to improve. He knocks players like Danns, Wellens and Drinkwater into a cocked hat and I am absolutely astonished that people would ship him out for next to nothing... When fit, he's the first name on the teamsheet for me.
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:038:Absolutely spot on, my feelings exactly about King. What message does it send to other young players like Schlupp and Hopper, to name but two, when fans get on their backs and criticise when they are still developing. To be honest i think we will be lucky to hang on to him and i would be gutted if he moves on. He has played his best stuff in the past under Pearson and just needs to get back to form and fitness.
 
gregs_y2k said:
Whilst Dyer isn't perfect, I think we can do a lot worse and I wouldn't ship him out unless we signed two strong replacements as he would make a very good back up. The second half of this season he has improved and he is defiintely good enough for most Championship clubs.

I completely agree about Vassell and that's why we should be careful about offering him a contract. He is the only one I'd consider for a new contract but it is completely dependent on how he has recovered from his injury.

I don't buy into the idea of wholesale changes yet again. It very rarely works. Our front two are more than capable of shooting it's way into the top 2 next season. If the owners are happy to carry on paying their contracts then why sell? We saw how long it took those two to gel as a partnership so why risk it again? Beckford and Nugent have to stay for us to have a realistic chance of competing for promotion next season.

Gallagher really should be moved on, but I'm not so sure he will be.

I'd definitely keep King, disappointing season this term, but he's shown he can do it at this level before and he's missed a big chunk of the season through injury. I'm sure he'll improve and be back to his best form next season
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I like King too but, one has to be rational. If we are to play two wingers and two strikers, that only leaves room for two central midfield players. We really need two new, stronger, ball winning players in there; or play King and one forward, or one winger.
 
The Old Fox said:
I like King too but, one has to be rational. If we are to play two wingers and two strikers, that only leaves room for two central midfield players. We really need two new, stronger, ball winning players in there; or play King and one forward, or one winger.
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what happens when we have injuries, &/or suspensions, only field 10 men?
 
Biffa Bacon said:
Loaded the club with extra debt, sacked a manager they didn't need to, had no plan to replace the manager they sacked, signed off on every signing, focused on the wrong areas for upgrades..... Oh but they did give us some screens and got mad Mandy out.
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I'm not sure its entirely justified to assume other owners would be totally different. Mandaric hardly left the club in the black…
 
indierich06 said:
Why in the name of Jeebus are so many people on here keen to get rid of Andy King?!

He scored 16 goals last season and 11 the season before, he is the one midfielder in our squad who can actually chip in with a decent goals tally and create something from nothing. He's not had a great season by his standards, but he's been hampered by injuries which will take time to recover from.

It absolutely beggars belief. People on here are often crying out for young talent to come through the academy and to be given a chance in the first team. Yet this lad, who only in his 4th full season as a player, has gotten better every season so far and he will continue to improve. He knocks players like Danns, Wellens and Drinkwater into a cocked hat and I am absolutely astonished that people would ship him out for next to nothing... When fit, he's the first name on the teamsheet for me.
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He's not got enough physical presence, as I've said before. If we're going to do anything, we should put him on a muscle and weight building program, similar to what Zico was put on.
 
H T B said:
what happens when we have injuries, &/or suspensions, only field 10 men?
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Injuries should not change the style of play. Football is a squad game nowadays. If a winger is injured, a winger should replace him; if it be a ball winner then likewise.

The problem that, I believe, we have, is not that we do not have eleven good players, on par with pretty much any players in this league; we do not have a team. We need the manager to set a system and get the personnel to play to it. I accept that NP has not had time to achieve this but we are talking about who should be retained/signed and I still do not see room for King, IF we play two wingers and two forwards.
 
The Old Fox said:
Injuries should not change the style of play. Football is a squad game nowadays. If a winger is injured, a winger should replace him; if it be a ball winner then likewise.

The problem that, I believe, we have, is not that we do not have eleven good players, on par with pretty much any players in this league; we do not have a team. We need the manager to set a system and get the personnel to play to it. I accept that NP has not had time to achieve this but we are talking about who should be retained/signed and I still do not see room for King, IF we play two wingers and two forwards.
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You think this even though Pearson got us to the playoffs last time playing such a system and using King in that role?
 
lanxfox jnr said:
He's not got enough physical presence, as I've said before. If we're going to do anything, we should put him on a muscle and weight building program, similar to what Zico was put on.
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You dont need to be a buildbuilder to play in midfield and be any good. Silva, Modric, Arteta, Mata, Noble, Whittingham are all great midfielders and are all the same if not smaller stature as King.

If King is to be a pivotal part of the midfield next season then he needs to have more involvement in the game. Too often he goes missing and the game passes him by.
 
Matt_B said:
You think this even though Pearson got us to the playoffs last time playing such a system and using King in that role?
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I have been (repeatedly, and possibly fairly) told to get over Sven: may I suggest that you get over Pearson's 'great success' - or the worst bounce in the last three years (Norwich & Southampton having done rather better).

If Nigel Pearson is to get us, even to squeeze into the play-offs next season, he will need to be far better prepared.
 
FoxCovert said:
:038:What message does it send to other young players like Schlupp and Hopper, to name but two, when fans get on their backs and criticise when they are still developing. .
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OK - I will say the unsayable!

Just how good is Schlupp. He is 20 this year - so he's out of the creche - and all I know is that just restricting the field to LCFC, that I've seen a number of better and younger outfield players over the years - e.g. Nish, Lineker and even Andy Peake and David Buchanan.

I've also heard all the stuff before about a long list of other youngsters who were going to be future garduates of soccer's hall of fame - who have tended to finish up in the lower divisions of English or Scottish football.

I don't know about Schlupp. Perhaps he will make it big time. But what are the outstanding features of his play that justify such hopes? My own guess is that 2012/13 is going to be critical in whether this is another false dawn.
 
Redditch Fox said:
OK - I will say the unsayable!

Just how good is Schlupp. He is 20 this year - so he's out of the creche - and all I know is that just restricting the field to LCFC, that I've seen a number of better and younger outfield players over the years - e.g. Nish, Lineker and even Andy Peake and David Buchanan.

I've also heard all the stuff before about a long list of other youngsters who were going to be future garduates of soccer's hall of fame - who have tended to finish up in the lower divisions of English or Scottish football.

I don't know about Schlupp. Perhaps he will make it big time. But what are the outstanding features of his play that justify such hopes? My own guess is that 2012/13 is going to be critical in whether this is another false dawn.
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He needs game time to really develop, otherwise he'll stagnate and his development will stop. He's done really well in his debut season, but I think we could see him loaned out again next season - Pearson still has plans for Waghorn and if the rumours are true and we land Vardy, there won't be much football for Schlupp, which would be a shame.

So I think another loan could be on the cards, hopefully a Championship club could take him and give him a run of games in this league - wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Charlton on loan at all, Powell knows him and I think NP would be happy to let him go there to develop under the tutelage of Powelly. Could be a great deal all round.
 
indierich06 said:
So I think another loan could be on the cards, hopefully a Championship club could take him and give him a run of games in this league - wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Charlton on loan at all, Powell knows him and I think NP would be happy to let him go there to develop under the tutelage of Powelly. Could be a great deal all round.
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He'd be a bench player at best for Charlton. If we do loan him out to a Championship club it's more likely to be to one of the smaller ones like Peterborough or Carlisle :)
 
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Jeff said:
He'd be a bench player at best for Charlton. If we do loan him out to a Championship club it's more likely to be to one of the smaller ones like Peterborough or Carlisle :)
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Well that is interesting - and about what I thought.

So we have a player coming up to 20 who we think can only get regular games at a club like Carlisle or Peterborough.

Nothing wrong with that at all - but it doesn't sound to me like he's currently on track to be anything out of the ordinary. I appreciate that it's not too late for him to 'climb the ladder' but he's far from being in the wonder kid category that I think some people have assumed.

More to the point there doesn't seem to be much support for the idea of him making the difference for us next season.
 
Redditch Fox said:
Well that is interesting - and about what I thought.

So we have a player coming up to 20 who we think can only get regular games at a club like Carlisle or Peterborough.

Nothing wrong with that at all - but it doesn't sound to me like he's currently on track to be anything out of the ordinary. I appreciate that it's not too late for him to 'climb the ladder' but he's far from being in the wonder kid category that I think some people have assumed.

More to the point there doesn't seem to be much support for the idea of him making the difference for us next season.
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I didn't say I think we should loan him out. I'd rather have him on the bench than Waghorn.

But if he's good enough to get into a team like Charlton, he's good enough to play a part for us, which is why I don't think he'd be loaned to someone like them.
 
Jeff said:
I didn't say I think we should loan him out. I'd rather have him on the bench than Waghorn.

But if he's good enough to get into a team like Charlton, he's good enough to play a part for us, which is why I don't think he'd be loaned to someone like them.
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Sadly I think that signing Waghorn was a big mistake - but an understandable one given his performances when on loan from Sunderland. Clearly Steve Bruce was a bit more clued up than our people.

If we are to challenge for the play offs next season - and yes I suspect we will struggle to finish above Charlton - Pearson needs to bring in an additional front line striker.
 
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