Gallagher and Wellens

[Mawsley]

Where else could he possibly get his protein from?!

Alex gives loads away.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

I totally disagree.

Everything Gallagher has earned from football is because of the people that support the game. This comes through fans, viewers, sponsors, etc. If nobody went to the matches, Gallagher would be a nobody. From his diamond encrusted Mrs to his latest flash motor, he owes it all to the people that pay to watch him do his job.

He has no right to pick and choose which aspects of the experience of being a footballer he wants. If that deal isn't acceptable to him, get the feck out of the game and do something different. If he does well, he gladly accepts the glory. If he's no good, his responsibility is to take the criticism and work harder. Not ponce about like it's some kind of disgrace that people dare to say he's shite when he's shite.

A true professional would have come out after the game and said that he knows he's not been at his best for a while and thanks to those supporters who've stuck by him and dedicate the goals he scored to them. The two things I'm not happy with him about are the complete opposite of that sort of approach.

You seem to think booing someone and cheering when they get substituted and personal abusing someone both inside and outside of work is constructive criticism, it isn't, it's just being a twat to another person for making mistakes in a service they are providing to you.

Everything everyone warns in any job is because there's service/goods for it and people willing to pay for those services/goods, that is not specific to football at all. If no one wanted the service/goods you produce/sell/perform/whatever in your job, you would be out of a job too. Do you think if whoever the customers/benefactors of your work are came to you personally and started abusing you both in and out of work for making a mistake that you would happily just sit there and take it? If someone did that to me, I would tell them where to go.

Fans thinking that footballers and football managers are objects they can abuse not only in their workplace but outside of it as well. Just another example of this horrrible "holier than thou" "I pay my money so I have a right..." attitude fans have, who seem to think that outright abuse is okay.

And, bloody hell, all he did was cup his ear, it's not as if he's personally attacked you back, if you're really turning on a player and saying "feck him" for cupping hiss ear after proving people wrong after getting personal abuse both in and out of work, then you are a very petty man indeed.

 

[Micky]

You seem to think booing someone and cheering when they get substituted and personal abusing someone both inside and outside of work is constructive criticism, it isn't, it's just being a twat to another person for making mistakes in a service they are providing to you.

Everything everyone warns in any job is because there's service/goods for it and people willing to pay for those services/goods, that is not specific to football at all. If no one wanted the service/goods you produce/sell/perform/whatever in your job, you would be out of a job too. Do you think if whoever the customers/benefactors of your work are came to you personally and started abusing you both in and out of work for making a mistake that you would happily just sit there and take it? If someone did that to me, I would tell them where to go.

Fans thinking that footballers and football managers are objects they can abuse not only in their workplace but outside of it as well. Just another example of this horrrible "holier than thou" "I pay my money so I have a right..." attitude fans have, who seem to think that outright abuse is okay.

And, bloody hell, all he did was cup his ear, it's not as if he's personally attacked you back, if you're really turning on a player and saying "feck him" for cupping hiss ear after proving people wrong after getting personal abuse both in and out of work, then you are a very petty man indeed.

I think Gallagher should have made a trip to the printers to get a t-shirt saying 'cheer away you fickle ****ers!' Though, I'm sure he could have come up with something slightly more catchy!

 

[Filthy Rich]

You seem to think booing someone and cheering when they get substituted and personal abusing someone both inside and outside of work is constructive criticism, it isn't, it's just being a twat to another person for making mistakes in a service they are providing to you.

Everything everyone warns in any job is because there's service/goods for it and people willing to pay for those services/goods, that is not specific to football at all. If no one wanted the service/goods you produce/sell/perform/whatever in your job, you would be out of a job too. Do you think if whoever the customers/benefactors of your work are came to you personally and started abusing you both in and out of work for making a mistake that you would happily just sit there and take it? If someone did that to me, I would tell them where to go.

Fans thinking that footballers and football managers are objects they can abuse not only in their workplace but outside of it as well. Just another example of this horrrible "holier than thou" "I pay my money so I have a right..." attitude fans have, who seem to think that outright abuse is okay.

And, bloody hell, all he did was cup his ear, it's not as if he's personally attacked you back, if you're really turning on a player and saying "feck him" for cupping hiss ear after proving people wrong after getting personal abuse both in and out of work, then you are a very petty man indeed.

Well said, Deep Red! Thought Gally's response was pretty mild compared to what mine would have been. All the radio phone in comments about his performance on Saturday were very positive.

Seems as if his detractors don't have the bottle to phone up themselves.

 

[Micky]

Well said, Deep Red! Thought Gally's response was pretty mild compared to what mine would have been. All the radio phone in comments about his performance on Saturday were very positive.

Seems as if his detractors don't have the bottle to phone up themselves.

or post...edit....some of them.....

 

[Brown Nose]

You seem to think booing someone and cheering when they get substituted and personal abusing someone both inside and outside of work is constructive criticism, it isn't, it's just being a twat to another person for making mistakes in a service they are providing to you.

Everything everyone warns in any job is because there's service/goods for it and people willing to pay for those services/goods, that is not specific to football at all. If no one wanted the service/goods you produce/sell/perform/whatever in your job, you would be out of a job too. Do you think if whoever the customers/benefactors of your work are came to you personally and started abusing you both in and out of work for making a mistake that you would happily just sit there and take it? If someone did that to me, I would tell them where to go.

Fans thinking that footballers and football managers are objects they can abuse not only in their workplace but outside of it as well. Just another example of this horrrible "holier than thou" "I pay my money so I have a right..." attitude fans have, who seem to think that outright abuse is okay.

And, bloody hell, all he did was cup his ear, it's not as if he's personally attacked you back, if you're really turning on a player and saying "feck him" for cupping hiss ear after proving people wrong after getting personal abuse both in and out of work, then you are a very petty man indeed.

Relating the job of professional footballer to any 'normal' occupation is bonkers. Being a sports person, celebrity, politician etc is different. It just is. The rewards are greater than in normal occupations but there are pressures that don't exist for you and me. That's the deal when your career is based on the approval of the public.

Gallagher chooses to have a career based on the approval of the public but doesn't like it if that approval is not automatic. It's like a politician being voted out and then criticising the electorate. Or a recording artist throwing a strop when their record bombs. It's tough luck pal, it's part of the job.

His gesture after scoring both goals was to say to his own supporters, 'I don't respect you'. Many pro footballers may be so thick as to not respect the people that give them luxurious lifestyles but most are smart enough to keep those opinions to themselves. His decision to then not talk to RL after the game is like saying 'I'm going to show you for criticising me'. It's pathetic and immature.

If we as supporters condone, and even approve of, this sort of petulance, we're putting ever greater distance between ourselves and the players. We're prostituting ourselves to their talents. "We don't care what you do or what you think of us as long as you score". It's akin to Man City supporters cheering the return of Tevez. That would be sickening to me but not really that different than defending one of our players for saying 'feck you' to his own supporters.

If we as supporters had turned against Gallagher on Saturday for his behaviour, he'd now be shitting himself and apologising for it. That would improve the mutual respect we'd have between players and supporters. The fact that most of our fans are gutlessly backing this behaviour up, shows a complete lack of pride in the club you support. As Ferguson rightly said about Liverpool and Suarez at the weekend, Liverpool can't accept that sort of behaviour because the club is bigger and better than that. To you, we obviously aren't.

 

[Micky]

Relating the job of professional footballer to any 'normal' occupation is bonkers. Being a sports person, celebrity, politician etc is different. It just is. The rewards are greater than in normal occupations but there are pressures that don't exist for you and me. That's the deal when your career is based on the approval of the public.
Gallagher chooses to have a career based on the approval of the public but doesn't like it if that approval is not automatic. It's like a politician being voted out and then criticising the electorate. Or a recording artist throwing a strop when their record bombs. It's tough luck pal, it's part of the job.

His gesture after scoring both goals was to say to his own supporters, 'I don't respect you'. Many pro footballers may be so thick as to not respect the people that give them luxurious lifestyles but most are smart enough to keep those opinions to themselves. His decision to then not talk to RL after the game is like saying 'I'm going to show you for criticising me'. It's pathetic and immature.

If we as supporters condone, and even approve of, this sort of petulance, we're putting ever greater distance between ourselves and the players. We're prostituting ourselves to their talents. "We don't care what you do or what you think of us as long as you score". It's akin to Man City supporters cheering the return of Tevez. That would be sickening to me but not really that different than defending one of our players for saying 'feck you' to his own supporters.

If we as supporters had turned against Gallagher on Saturday for his behaviour, he'd now be shitting himself and apologising for it. That would improve the mutual respect we'd have between players and supporters. The fact that most of our fans are gutlessly backing this behaviour up, shows a complete lack of pride in the club you support. As Ferguson rightly said about Liverpool and Suarez at the weekend, Liverpool can't accept that sort of behaviour because the club is bigger and better than that. To you, we obviously aren't.

A professional footballers career is not based on the approval of the general public. It is based on the approval of your manager and currently Nigel obviously thinks that Gallagher has a part to play. Like it or not, Gallagher and Nigel aren't interested in our opinions - otherwise Gallagher and Wellens would have been sold on by now. All they are interested in, is trying to get promoted and doing what they see as being right.

His gesture after scoring the goals was to say I don't respect you. Why should he respect fickle tossers who boo one minute and are then kissing his arse the next. Your lucky he didn't stick two fingers up.

 

[Doug]

Well said BN, I agree entirely.
What I thought was particularly crass was doing the ear busines after scoring a penalty, for fecks sake; it's not that difficult.
Up until then his contribution to the game had hardly been match-wininng, viz that show-pony type left-footed shot on the volley when he would have been much better placed to use his right.

 

[indierich06]

His gesture after scoring both goals was to say to his own supporters, 'I don't respect you'.

I don't show respect to people who don't afford me the same courtesy, I'd feel the same in any walk of life and I would always try to treat people the same as I would like them to treat me - Gallagher's totally justified to his little response in my opinion. If I was him, I certainly wouldn't respect any of our fans, who are mostly braying morons. Nugent contirbuted **** all on Saturday, did anyone get on his back? No. It's the inequality of it which would rankle most for me.

Many pro footballers may be so thick as to not respect the people that give them luxurious lifestyles but most are smart enough to keep those opinions to themselves. His decision to then not talk to RL after the game is like saying 'I'm going to show you for criticising me'. It's pathetic and immature.

Pathetic and immature? You could say the same about the fans reaction to a couple of poor performances, when they boo their own players off the pitch. Doesn't seem reasoned, sensible or mature behaviour, does it? I don't agree with these people who bleat on about paying footballers wages. Leicester City pay Paul Gallagher's wages, if you never went to a single match ever again, Paul Gallagher would still get his paycheck at the end of every month. Revenue from fans obviously counts for a lot, but they way some fans go on, you'd think the payroll comes directly out of their account by direct debit. It's as ludicrous as saying you pay an actor's wages because you go and see a film.

If we as supporters condone, and even approve of, this sort of petulance, we're putting ever greater distance between ourselves and the players. We're prostituting ourselves to their talents. "We don't care what you do or what you think of us as long as you score". It's akin to Man City supporters cheering the return of Tevez. That would be sickening to me but not really that different than defending one of our players for saying 'feck you' to his own supporters.

Seriously? You're comparing cupping your ear to telling someone to **** off? "We don't care what you do or what you think of us as long as you score" - you act like there aren't fans at every club in the world who think this. Do you think Birmingham fans don't cheer when Marlon King scores? Do you think there are QPR fans who don't cheer when Joey Barton scores? Do you think there are Man Utd fans who don't cheer when Wayne Rooney scores? Do you think football fans are paragons of virtue who won't stand for any unsavoury antics? Well, if you do, I don't know what game you've been watching for the last 20 years... Get a grip. You shouldn't dish it out if you can't take it, that's Gallagher's only right to reply - an inoffensive gesture to the fans after he scores a goal, whereas you can stand on the terraces and call him a **** all day long if you like, you can go on twitter and slag him off and insult his wife if you like too. I'd hardly say his response is even proportionate, but obviously cupping your ears is absolutely beyond the pale...

If we as supporters had turned against Gallagher on Saturday for his behaviour, he'd now be shitting himself and apologising for it. That would improve the mutual respect we'd have between players and supporters. The fact that most of our fans are gutlessly backing this behaviour up, shows a complete lack of pride in the club you support. As Ferguson rightly said about Liverpool and Suarez at the weekend, Liverpool can't accept that sort of behaviour because the club is bigger and better than that. To you, we obviously aren't.

So now you're comparing Gallagher to a disgusting racist who won't shake a fellow professional's hand! This gets better and better!

If the fans 'had turned on Gallagher' on Saturday they'd be a bigger bunch of arseholes than I've previously given them credit for. You talk about mutual respect, do you even understand what it means? Gallagher would have to go a lot further and be a lot more insulting to bring himself down to the level of respect he is shown by some of our support.

Football fans need to realise that they don't have carte blanche to say whatever they want because they buy a ticket to a football match. I suppose if he was a black player and you wanted to shout racist abuse at him, that'd be ok becuase you pay his wages and you've paid for your ticket? How is abusing him for something else any different?

If you treat someone like shit, guess what? They won't like it and they'll react. Stop being so bloody precious.

 

[SwedeFox]

Not offended by anything a player says or does as long as they perform. If it means that he'll score matchwinning goals Gallagher can spit in my face and call me a filthy little whore for all I care.

 

[Micky]

Not offended by anything a player says or does as long as they perform. If it means that he'll score matchwinning goals Gallagher can spit in my face and call me a filthy little whore for all I care.

Can I be there to watch!

 

[Lako42]

If gally insists on showing disrespect for the people that pay his wages and keep him in the lifestyle he obviously enjoys then he's a moron, he's quite happy to pick that pay cheque up at the end of the month. I don't boo and I don't agree with it, but the Shit that he has been fishing out deserved to be highlighted, to act so arrogant after scoring a penalty shows how out of touch he really is.

It seems gally thinks he's done enough now, which he obviously has for some.

 

[spionfox]

If gally insists on showing disrespect for the people that pay his wages and keep him in the lifestyle he obviously enjoys then he's a moron, he's quite happy to pick that pay cheque up at the end of the month. I don't boo and I don't agree with it, but the Shit that he has been fishing out deserved to be highlighted, to act so arrogant after scoring a penalty shows how out of touch he really is.

It seems gally thinks he's done enough now, which he obviously has for some.

I think your words might carry more gravitas and better indicate the strength of your feeling if you referred to him as 'Gallagher' rather than the more affectionate 'Gally'. :icon_wink

 

[Lako42]

I think your words might carry more gravitas and better indicate the strength of your feeling if you referred to him as 'Gallagher' rather than the more affectionate 'Gally'. :icon_wink

Agreed however I don't want to be called nasty names so I try to keep a hint of love and affection in there.

 

[Hazzman]

Was recently told that Gallagher is by far the most down to earth member of the squad. When at the training ground, he makes a point of asking how staff members are and is always happy to chat.

Also, St Ledger still lives with his rents.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

Relating the job of professional footballer to any 'normal' occupation is bonkers. Being a sports person, celebrity, politician etc is different. It just is. The rewards are greater than in normal occupations but there are pressures that don't exist for you and me. That's the deal when your career is based on the approval of the public.

Gallagher chooses to have a career based on the approval of the public but doesn't like it if that approval is not automatic. It's like a politician being voted out and then criticising the electorate. Or a recording artist throwing a strop when their record bombs. It's tough luck pal, it's part of the job.

Again, this is the bs I'm talking about by fans who think they are bigger than they are. You seem to think you are Nigel Pearson. Let's call you by what you are called in every other industry: a customer.

It's no different to other professions at all. Gallagher's job has no more to do with meeting your approval than a mechanic's a fisherman's, a checkout clerk at ASDA, or any other job. If a customer doesn't like what a mechanic is doing and then decides to start booing him, jeering him and personally abusing him and his wife outside of work I'd say that's acting like a twat and is absolutely not on, I'd also say the mechanic has every right to tell him to where to go, let alone simply cup his ear or be smug when he's proven him wrong.

"It's tough luck pal, it's part of the job." - What an absolutely horrendous attitude. Hey mr. mechanic, you made a mistake on my car by accident, I'm going to abuse you and your wife both in and out of work. It's tough luck, pal, you can't do anything about it, after all it is your job to provide a service I deem adequate.

His gesture after scoring both goals was to say to his own supporters, 'I don't respect you'. Many pro footballers may be so thick as to not respect the people that give them luxurious lifestyles but most are smart enough to keep those opinions to themselves. His decision to then not talk to RL after the game is like saying 'I'm going to show you for criticising me'. It's pathetic and immature.

The fans are customers. They give the players their "luxurious lifestyles" in only the same way as any other profession, they only difference is Gallagher's profession is more in demand. People who go the fish and chip shop both pay the wages of the workers there and the fisherman who provide the fish, people who go and get their car fixed pay the wages of the mechanic, people who go and buy petrol pay the wages of BP, Shell and the garage workers, people who use the bank pay the wages of the bankers, people who read the Sun or Hello magazine pay the wages of the gutter press.

The only reason Gallagher gets paid more and has a "more luxurious lifestyle" than anyone else is because it is more in demand and people will pay thousands of pounds a year to go and watch football matches, both live and on Sky. It's as simple as that. His profession is no different and is no less about public opinion than anyone else's job.

Tbh, when fans think that they have more right to abuse players, than say, the checkout clerk at ASDA, who is also simply providing you a service, through some deluded sense of "loyalty" (and people are just as loyal to their supermarket, mechanic, or any other industry), it just smacks of jealousy. You're a customer, simple as that.

It's not pathetic at all, when people get abused for making a few mistakes in their job, they have every right to simply cup their ear or shun an interview.

If we as supporters condone, and even approve of, this sort of petulance, we're putting ever greater distance between ourselves and the players. We're prostituting ourselves to their talents. "We don't care what you do or what you think of us as long as you score". It's akin to Man City supporters cheering the return of Tevez. That would be sickening to me but not really that different than defending one of our players for saying 'feck you' to his own supporters.

Why shouldn't there be a distance between you and the players? Is this another hilarious "role models" argument?

He is providing a service to you, it's as simple as that. And I love the "we as supporters" bit, you've got way to big an opinion on what you think you actually are as a customer. People pay to watch football matches as entertainment, players are played to play those matches and provide that entertainment, it is as simple as that. Why should the player have to like the fans? Especially if the fans make it quite known when they don't like the player? And why should a fan care if a player is smug after proving the fans wrong? It is his job to play football, simple as that.

What did you think about DJ Campbell when he came back and played for us after saying much worse things than Gallagher and as bad as Tevez? Did you cheer him or did you boo him? I don't remember anyone booing him and neither should they, because he was just out there doing his job.

If we as supporters had turned against Gallagher on Saturday for his behaviour, he'd now be shitting himself and apologising for it. That would improve the mutual respect we'd have between players and supporters. The fact that most of our fans are gutlessly backing this behaviour up, shows a complete lack of pride in the club you support. As Ferguson rightly said about Liverpool and Suarez at the weekend, Liverpool can't accept that sort of behaviour because the club is bigger and better than that. To you, we obviously aren't.

Ha!

Do you understand what the word "mutual" even means? The fans are the ones who have been anything but respectful towards Gallagher. Far worse to him than anything he's done to the fans.

Fans had turned against Gallagher for his performances in recent weeks and have shown anything but mutual respect towards Gallagher. I am not "gutlessly" doing anything, I am backing him up because the fans are the ones who are mostly in the wrong, not Gallagher.

That lack of pride in the club you support nonsense is yet more consumerist bollocks and thinking you are bigger than the customer you really are.

 

[Profondo Rosso]

If the fans 'had turned on Gallagher' on Saturday they'd be a bigger bunch of arseholes than I've previously given them credit for. You talk about mutual respect, do you even understand what it means? Gallagher would have to go a lot further and be a lot more insulting to bring himself down to the level of respect he is shown by some of our support.

Football fans need to realise that they don't have carte blanche to say whatever they want because they buy a ticket to a football match. I suppose if he was a black player and you wanted to shout racist abuse at him, that'd be ok becuase you pay his wages and you've paid for your ticket? How is abusing him for something else any different?

If you treat someone like shit, guess what? They won't like it and they'll react. Stop being so bloody precious.

It's quite sad really. That some people convince themselves they are anything other than customers keeping another company alive and seem to think they are some hugely important entity that should be able to abuse people and decide what goes on in that business.

Let alone that players should be robots who should simply take abuse, yet not react, for making mistakes in their profession. I'm surprised BN hasn't used the term "man up" yet. What a horrible Victorian attitude towards human beings.

 

[Brown Nose]

Who is abusing who? I've never abused Gallagher, I've never boo'd him. I've actually argued the opposite. You're totally missing the point. He made those gestures to you as well. He didn't single out those that had criticised him. He did it to all LCFC supporters.

As for those that did criticise him. So what? Are footballers beyond criticism? Is it being outlawed now to spare the poor darlings feelings? Do you think footballers can't cope with criticism? People have always gone to football matches to cheer and boo. What about the ref against Boro? Were the thousands of people (including me) criticising him that night out of order because we might have hurt his feelings?

I get your whole argument about playing football as a job and watching football as a customer. I just don't agree with it and it doesn't stack up. We don't go to support another team because our team play badly. We don't pick our team based on 'consumer' factors. It's nonsense.

I think football is more than that, just like a lot of 'consumer' relationships are more than that. If you don't, and you're representative of others, it's a sad state of affairs.

Oh, and I don't consider myself to be NP or any such thing. As a supporter of the club, I consider myself to be far, far more important than NP. So should you. So should we all.

 

[Jeff]

He made those gestures to you as well. He didn't single out those that had criticised him. He did it to all LCFC supporters.

Can someone explain what these gestures are?
I can't remember anything other than a hand to his ear, which isn't the kind of thing anyone could find offensive, unless they're deaf and they think he's taking the piss.

 

[Miles Away]

Fans have a right to act like wankers, Gallagher has a right to respond in kind.

It's a beautiful thing if you ask me.