Holloway out

[highland fox]

I would tell him now that he has all of next season.
May I ask you a question? How long would you give to his replacement before his demise, if things were not going well?

Its a little more than ''not going well though isn't it'' ? He is going to take the club down to Division One.I didn't expect him to take us up or even get us in the top half but did hope for a steady improvement but the fact is it has got worse.I want him to succeed but at the same time he cannot be given as much time as it takes because it may never happen.
If he is a replaced,I would give the Manager til Xmas to improve things,not great strides just improve things.Are yopu telling me IH has improved things?:icon_conf I agree we need stability but not at the cost of Relegatiion,we are dropping like a stone and something needs to be done its no good sitting there crying 'We need stability,We need stability'' as we slide out the League.I honestly don't know if replacing him will make a difference but I do know that something needs to change or be done and its no good burying your head in the sand hoping that it will get better.

 

[Durham Fox]

But he's taking us down,we cannot afford to be relegated,surely you can see that Holloway is in some way responsible for the situation we find ourselves in,its likehe's fireproof in some peoples eyes:icon_conf

That in no way answers the question, which was - what happens when the next manager hasnt turned this big old sinking ship around in these stupid timescales??

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

Its a little more than ''not going well though isn't it'' ? He is going to take the club down to Division One.I didn't expect him to take us up or even get us in the top half but did hope for a steady improvement but the fact is it has got worse.I want him to succeed but at the same time he cannot be given as much time as it takes because it may never happen.
If he is a replaced,I would give the Manager til Xmas to improve things,not great strides just improve things.Are yopu telling me IH has improved things?:icon_conf I agree we need stability but not at the cost of Relegatiion,we are dropping like a stone and something needs to be done its no good sitting there crying 'We need stability,We need stability'' as we slide out the League.I honestly don't know if replacing him will make a difference but I do know that something needs to change or be done and its no good burying your head in the sand hoping that it will get better.

good post h

 

[highland fox]

That in no way answers the question, which was - what happens when the next manager hasnt turned this big old sinking ship around in these stupid timescales??

I've just gave my 5 bobs worth.Let me make it clear I'm not knocking those who think he should stay but you can't just follow him blindly.

 

[Durham Fox]

I've just gave my 5 bobs worth.Let me make it clear I'm not knocking those who think he should stay but you can't just follow him blindly.

Again, its got nothing to do with Holloway, I am asking what hapens when the next manager doesnt make an impression after 15-20 games?

 

[highland fox]

Again, its got nothing to do with Holloway, I am asking what hapens when the next manager doesnt make an impression after 15-20 games?

But he might,I can't answer that.I would expect an improvement,nothing great just a steady improvement.There are no signs that we are improving,we are getting worse..why can't you see that,the Table doesn't lie.He's made an impression alright...
You answer my question.How long do you give Holloway ?

 

[Redditch Fox]

That in no way answers the question, which was - what happens when the next manager hasnt turned this big old sinking ship around in these stupid timescales??

I'm not sure that the analogy of the 'big old sinking ship' works.

Holloway took over an under-performing squad. He has augmented that squad with quite expensive acquisitions. Far from even starting to turn things round, things just get worse. My take is that he has had sufficent time to suggest whether he is worth further investment or not....and it's not.

As to the position of the next manager - I would have thought 20 games was barely adequate, but on the otherhand if you have a manager who like Holloway takes you down the road to catastrophe then what can one do ? The nature of the game is that they have to stand down.

 

[Trifull]

That in no way answers the question, which was - what happens when the next manager hasnt turned this big old sinking ship around in these stupid timescales??

This is another reason I suggested John Rudkin, if he gets his chance and fails then he can return to his old job if he wanted to, personally, I think Rudkin would do a good job.

I would have prefered Kevin Blackwell, and for those who slated me for that choice, after 6 games in charge at Sheffield utd, he has taken them to back to back wins, something we haven't achieved since ... ?

I'm all for long term management, but it has to be the right man. Holloway really isn't the right man.

 

[consty]

You've got to conclude that in the the long run (not just after the odd game or two) it is results and your position in the table that tell you all you need to know. They tell you how good or otherwise the manager and the players are. If the players are good on paper - and many of them are - but they slide down the table (as under Peter Taylor for example) you have got to look at the manager. I accept that lack of stablility and MM have a role but you really do have to think that the manager takes the most responsibility - especially when he has options to change players, buy players and hire loan players with a reasonably generous budget.

Holloway took too long to improve the midfield (its really only improved with Clemence out and Hendrie & Ethu in). However he has helped make a mediocre attack even more toothless. Persisting with Hume on the right (& lately the left!) has had a very negative influence on the forwards - and on the whole team. You have to wonder why Howard is so badly under-performing and perhaps it is not so much the man himself but the manager & his systems and approach that are the reason. He seemed a safe bet to be someone who would have an impact - even Derby supporters said say so. The clueless resort to playing Fryatt when things are not going well - rather than playing Hume up front instead (who alternatively, I'd be happy to see on the bench) has been another costly decision. His miss yesterday said it all.

Anyway, goodbye championship... we thought we'd be leaving you for a better place, but we're leaving anyway...

 

[Boy Genius]

That in no way answers the question, which was - what happens when the next manager hasnt turned this big old sinking ship around in these stupid timescales??

fcuk him off to......
We as fans are not asking for instant promotion or even play offs, but to see an improvement in our team, and only a slight one at that. That then gives a manager himself more time to improve on that.

Lets be honest here, who expected us to be walking away with this league after what the club has gone through. I never in my wildest dreams thought we would be in the bottom 3 and now looking for teams above us to fcuk up. Around mid table would have been fine.

 

[Durham Fox]

But he might,I can't answer that.I would expect an improvement,nothing great just a steady improvement.There are no signs that we are improving,we are getting worse..why can't you see that,the Table doesn't lie.

In terms of results I agree, you can't disagree. Are we getting worse though?? I don't think so, we actually look a much better, cohesive side under Holloway then under Levein, Kelly, Worthington, Allen and Megson. Results will follow, whether thats quick enough for some, I doubt.

 

[Durham Fox]

This is another reason I suggested John Rudkin, if he gets his chance and fails then he can return to his old job if he wanted to, personally, I think Rudkin would do a good job.

I would have prefered Kevin Blackwell, and for those who slated me for that choice, after 6 games in charge at Sheffield utd, he has taken them to back to back wins, something we haven't achieved since ... ?

I'm all for long term management, but it has to be the right man. Holloway really isn't the right man.

You'd want to replace Holloway with Rudkin in our current position? Are you being serious? If so perhaps you could summarise Rudkins managerial CV for the group?

 

[highland fox]

In terms of results I agree, you can't disagree. Are we getting worse though?? I don't think so, we actually look a much better, cohesive side under Holloway then under Levein, Kelly, Worthington, Allen and Megson. Results will follow, whether thats quick enough for some, I doubt.

Of course we are getting worse we are in the Relegation Zone,What good is pretty football when you are playing the likes of Leyton Orient,Id rather be hoofing it against Crystal Palce next year.Football is about winning nand getting Results not how nice you do it IMO

 

[highland fox]

You'd want to replace Holloway with Rudkin in our current position? Are you being serious? If so perhaps you could summarise Rudkins managerial CV for the group?

I agree with you there Durham,a bizarre idea:icon_conf

 

[Yorkshire Vixen]

can anyone tell me the last time we were in the relegation zone prior to this season and in this league??

 

[Durham Fox]

Of course we are getting worse we are in the Relegation Zone,What good is pretty football when you are playing the likes of Leyton Orient,Id rather be hoofing it against Crystal Palce next year.Football is about winning nand getting Results not how nice you do it IMO

I agree wit you but at some point you have to stop pluging the gaps short term and work towards something longer term. We tried it wih Levein and his tenure was cut short because of simlar issues to what we face now. We changed him for someone who did a good job short term but did we benefit long term? Dont think so, look where we are now.

 

[gregs_y2k]

Pretty sure we were in the relegation zone last season at one point

 

[Boy Genius]

This is another reason I suggested John Rudkin, if he gets his chance and fails then he can return to his old job if he wanted to, personally, I think Rudkin would do a good job.

I would have prefered Kevin Blackwell, and for those who slated me for that choice, after 6 games in charge at Sheffield utd, he has taken them to back to back wins, something we haven't achieved since ... ?

I'm all for long term management, but it has to be the right man. Holloway really isn't the right man.

WTF are you on Triful, somebody put too much sherry in again?

Rudkin would not even be on par with Kelly

 

[Boy Genius]

I agree wit you but at some point you have to stop pluging the gaps short term and work towards something longer term. We tried it wih Levein and his tenure was cut short because of simlar issues to what we face now. We changed him for someone who did a good job short term but did we benefit long term? Dont think so, look where we are now.

Durham, do you want to see us in Div1?

 

[Trifull]

You'd want to replace Holloway with Rudkin in our current position? Are you being serious? If so perhaps you could summarise Rudkins managerial CV for the group?

Refer to my earlier post about Rudkin knowing the younger players inside out, which league I expect us to be in, and the fact that Rudkin took the youth team to heights they've not been at for a long time. FA youth league, beating far superior teams in the FA youth cup, he knows those players and if we are going to be in Div 1, he is worth giving a try.